"Yes, a culture of safety, to reduce cycling injuries and fatalities. Folks discuss or reference safety in the context of speed limits, lighting, modality mixing, bike lanes, and other infrastructure as well. Happy Thanksgiving.  "

"And it's OK to drop the bone, Keto. What's really driving this almost compulsive rhetorical drumbeat? A dedication to higher culture of safety??  "

"It's ok for everyone to take a deep breath and recognize that cycling safety is something we too can control as cyclists for ourselves instead of pointing the finger at trucks, busses or speed limits.   Examining the decisions of the…"

"John, I agree with you. Making infrastructure more safe is the point.  We can debate what happened but none of us witnessed it. If one tends to blame cyclists, they could think the cyclist squeezed through between two large vehicles. Another…"

"The dashed bike lanes and lower speed limit are an effort to prevent more cyclists from being seriously injured or killed on this stretch. Whether they would prevent someone from dying in the exact same manner as Whitacre is not the point."

"Those things weren't the proximate causes here.  This wasn't about door zones. From the article: "Whitacre “fell from her bike, landed underneath a truck and was run over” and police said she was attempting to pass…"

"Dashed bike lanes = more driver awareness of cyclists on the road, drivers tending to stay further to the left, giving cyclists more room to ride out of the door zone. 20 mph speed limit signs + visually narrowing the street = slower average driver…"

"To build on that point, ensuring cycling advocacy through education and information is all the more important as follows: https://thechainlink.org/forum/topics/on-safety-culture-and-cycling-advocacy ;"

"From the background on the case, and this is a cut-and-paste:  Whitacre “fell from her bike, landed underneath a truck and was run over” and police said she was attempting to pass between the truck and a CTA bus at the time. …"

"Some upgrades have been made / are planned on Damen between Diversey and Belmont, where Liza Whitacre was killed on her bike in…"

"As I stated, I realized he was trying to make a point but he was doing it in a pretty terrible way. I removed the ending comments where he started getting personal with me after I said this.  While I am ok with disagreement, trying to make it a…"

"Yasmeen, the way I read Tony's comment it seemed obvious that he was not seriously calling the cyclist's action "suicide" - rather, he was making a comment about the merits (or lack thereof) of such language by saying that one…"

"I think that's right, although I struggled more with a cross-wind with front panniers.  But the milk crate with holes is so aero!  "

"Apologies for my use of murder.  Didn't mean to imply intention, just a needless death of A by another human B.  I agree the word was too strong.  I was more trying to focus on whether this is something we could have avoided.…"

"Not sure what you are trying to say here Tony. Just pointing out that you saying "suicide" was a strong choice as well. So technically, you do "throw around rhetoric" to make your point about rhetoric.  This is a website for…"

"Yet using words like "suicide" is ok? I think strong word choice is a two-way street."