Red means stop
One thing that irks me are other cyclists that don't follow the rules. These are the cyclists that give all others who do, a bad name.
Guy at the end... I ended up catching with him. Was it worth it running red lights and a stop sign?
Are you a red light/stop sign runner?
And if so, why?
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Permalink Reply by mike w. on
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This.+100.
Again we see that the problem many cyclists seem to have is with other cyclists.
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Permalink Reply by curt(is) locke on
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Amen, brother. Which is why I end up riding alone.
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Permalink Reply by kb on
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I think it's at least worth mentioning that shoaling can take different forms, some are more problematic than others. As a woman commuting on milwaukee ave, the frequency in which I am shoaled makes it pretty hard to not assign some of this to sexism which is unacceptable and requires a continued dialogue-- copy and paste this to all folks that fall outside of the norm of what we consider to be typical competent cyclist.
I do agree with you however that at a certain point the larger general shoaling discussion doesn't get us anywhere and shaming folks that are perhaps new to cycling is potentially counterproductive and may discourage them from cycling again, which is not what we want. No one starts out cycling knowing all the unspoken rules, it's a learning process and we can make some space for folks to do that.
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Permalink Reply by Carter O'Brien on
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Really, it all boils down to respect and the golden rule. Shoaling as you're experiencing it sounds both sexist and dangerous, I don't think cyclists are a special class of citizen that warrant slack on issues involving life or death decisions, you/we all deserve better.
I started riding on the street here before I was 12, the rules then, and now, are really not terribly complicated. Stay to the right. Respect pedestrians and stay off the sidewalk. Stop at red lights and respect right of way at intersections when there are people, cars or other cyclists present. I'm (eek) approaching 40 years cycling here and have never hit anyone, nor caused an accident.
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Permalink Reply by Anne Alt on
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Really, it all boils down to respect and the golden rule.
Yep, one of the best ways to ride, IMO. Remember that the other person you're dealing with out there is a person who's just trying to get where they're going, like you.
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Permalink Reply by David Barish on
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But there is no denying the eloquence in your succinct take down of the thread.Whether or not I agree...touche!
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But it's NOT Nelson (who, by the way, is a damaged, adolescent cartoon character) but YOU. Why, for fuck's sake, would you celebrate or laugh at the sight of a cyclist getting T-boned, even if the cyclist were flagrantly blowing a red light?! I have zero patience for this shite. I'm going for a ride.
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10-4 on that.
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Permalink Reply by Doug Haynes on
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I think it is interesting that people who are vv concerned with FOLLOWING THE LAW and stopping at lights are perfectly OK only yielding or bypassing a stop sign...
If the law is important shouldn't you follow them all?
Me, I stop when I need to but if I can proceed without impeding another's right of way I ain't stopping for anything because damn the man.
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Permalink Reply by David P. on
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When I'm out and about on my bikes, I'm not out there to be a representative for "cyclists" - I'm just trying to get somewhere, or head out for a fun ride, or whatever, just like all those other people out there. Be aware of your surroundings and other public-space users, show due deference to those who are more vulnerable than you are, and mind your safety.
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10-4. I'm not "presenting." I'm not your "role-model" (can't remember which baseball player said that.)
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