Bobby Cann Updates: Ryne San Hamel Pleads Guilty, Receives 10 Days in Jail

Jason Jenkins at ActiveTrans is helping to coordinate community response.  If there is any chance you can attend proceedings, please reach out to him: 

jason@activetrans.org.

 

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Permalink Reply by Duppie on October 9, 2013 at 12:54pm

John Greenfield has an update over on chi.streetsblog.org

Permalink Reply by Bob Kastigar on October 9, 2013 at 1:06pm

Duppie said:

John Greenfield has an update over on chi.streetsblog.org

A more direct link:

http://chi.streetsblog.org/2013/10/09/judge-turns-down-san-hamels-r...

A much more complete report and update.  I highly recommend following John Greenfield's streetblog.

Permalink Reply by Bob Kastigar on October 10, 2013 at 2:18am

Morgan 6 mi said:

This was the update I was looking for (about the car specifically) and thought we would be getting in this thread.

I, too, thought we would be getting a lot more specific information and reporting from the Active Transportation Alliance.  I thought they would be more response to reporting facts to the bicycling (and walking and transportation) community than honoring any "code of silence" commitment they made. 

They should never have entered into such an commitment. 

Greenfield's reporting on the blog has been much more complete and factual.  I don't see how what he reported could have harmed the trial outcome.  I don't see why all the Courtroom Advocates and so intent on refusing to share information.

I'm very disappointed in the Active Transportation Alliance in their participation in the reporting; hopefully they will do better in the future.

Although critical, I will continue to support the Active Transportation Alliance and continue paying my dues and encouraging others who ride bicycles to do the same.

Permalink Reply by Marina Fichera on October 10, 2013 at 5:03am
Congratulations. You're getting a real life court advocate , and also a very dear friend of Bobby's, to speak up. First of all, I know I'm probably talking to a brick wall and you're only going to hear what you want. But I'll say it anyway.
Being a court advocate creates a bigger presence in the court room, to the judge, and is documented throughout the whole process. We had to go to a training. We were told to not speak about the case. Just in case we say something the wrong way and it could hurt what we are in the end trying To accomplish. Which is justice. The "code of silence" as you so put it is in place for a reason. No one owes you any information. Jason so kindly tells you all what happens. Which isn't much. Dude wants his car and can't drive. That's it. Plus, it's really hard to hear what goes on in there anyway.
I don't know why you're so adamant about creating a fuss over it. If you really care and want to make a difference, show up to court a couple times, instead of whining that you don't know what's going on. This process is frustrating for all of us involved without some hero with a plea bargain petition (which I signed) complaining about it.
I'm pretty sure you're a grown man. And I don't like talking to people this way, but you need to chill out. Obviously my last post went unnoticed. Tear my post up all you want, but I've kept my mouth shut for awhile. And while I am a court advocate, I won't be posting updates, because it's my responsibility not to. We all want justice. And I'll say again, like I posted before, it's amazing that you all care and want to keep up with everything. It's awesome the outpouring of support. It's important that we all do that for each other, whether you know the person or not. Bobby was my friend, and I won't jeopardize anything for anyone that could stand in the way of a smidgen of justice for this great man not being in our lives anymore. Respect each other, respect us. You will be informed. But there's isn't a whole lot happening, so just relax



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Bob Kastigar said:

Morgan 6 mi said:

This was the update I was looking for (about the car specifically) and thought we would be getting in this thread.

I, too, thought we would be getting a lot more specific information and reporting from the Active Transportation Alliance.  I thought they would be more response to reporting facts to the bicycling (and walking and transportation) community than honoring any "code of silence" commitment they made. 

They should never have entered into such an commitment. 

Greenfield's reporting on the blog has been much more complete and factual.  I don't see how what he reported could have harmed the trial outcome.  I don't see why all the Courtroom Advocates and so intent on refusing to share information.

I'm very disappointed in the Active Transportation Alliance in their participation in the reporting; hopefully they will do better in the future.

Although critical, I will continue to support the Active Transportation Alliance and continue paying my dues and encouraging others who ride bicycles to do the same.

Permalink Reply by Bob Kastigar on October 10, 2013 at 10:52am

Marina Fichera said:

Congratulations. You're getting a real life court advocate ,

I do appreciate what the court advocates are doing. Your attendance in court is letting the court know that there is a large public interest and I appreciate your efforts on behalf of the rest of us.

 ---

Being a court advocate creates a bigger presence in the court room, to the judge, and is documented throughout the whole process. We had to go to a training. We were told to not speak about the case. Just in case we say something the wrong way and it could hurt what we are in the end trying To accomplish. Which is justice. The "code of silence" as you so put it is in place for a reason.

Yes, and I’ve talked with other court advocates as well, in the 17th District.  As I said previously, there never heard about remaining silent and not reporting what happened in court.  Maybe they do things differently in the 18th District.

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No one owes you any information.

I never said anyone “owes” me information.  I’m just asking for anyone willing to share what they know.  John Greenfield over on chi.streetsblog.org is providing many of us with factual information without taking a side, far more information than we’re getting elsewhere.  We’re not “owed” information and we appreciate that John is supplying the information that the ATA isn’t.

 ---

If you really care and want to make a difference, show up to court a couple times, instead of whining

I don’t think I’ve been whining; it seems to me the whining has been coming from those who want to see the “code of silence” kept.

 ---

This process is frustrating for all of us involved without some hero with a plea bargain petition (which I signed)

Thank you for signing the petition.  I don't consider myself a "hero" however.

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I'm pretty sure you're a grown man.

Very grown!  Old, actually.

 ---

We all want justice.

On that we agree.


Permalink Reply by Marina Fichera on October 10, 2013 at 12:10pm
Perhaps they do things different in other districts. Thats what we were told, and that's what we'll do. It's ridiculous to refer to it as a code of silence. We took the time out to go to a training, and the police officers in this district made sure we don't jeapordize anything in any way.
The information that the ATA gives you is all that anybody knows. It's not in a trial yet. They are 10-15 minute court hearing that are barely made out because the microphones are never on and it consists of one thing at a time. That's all. I wish there was more to talk about. And not everyone that goes is a court advocate. A lot of us have discontinued on this online community for being judged and attacked (referring to another thread not this one). So a lot of people that go "could" talk about it, they just don't come on here. And for what I'm seeing is good reason. The court advocates aren't going to change their minds. If a friend of yours died so horrifically, I would imagine you would do everything that you could and was asked of you by people who deal with this stuff daily to not talk about it.
It's very devastating to not have it all put to rest and have to confront it all the time. I just ask that you be patient. I know you probably don't mean to, but you sometimes come off as very entitled and sometimes I feel like you act like the victim. This is a very traumatizing and dark process, and the way that you come off doesnt help. If you're "very old" I would think that you could wrap your head around that. Or maybe you're just to set in your ways to adjust and see that we are just doing what is asked of us and all so that we can to move on.
I don't have anything else to say to you. You're support for Bobby is noticed and appreciated. But just one more time so it's clear, you get all the info we do from the ATA updates. I have to read the articles just like you to keep up. I know it's frustrating but that's all there is.


Bob Kastigar said:

Marina Fichera said:

Congratulations. You're getting a real life court advocate ,

I do appreciate what the court advocates are doing. Your attendance in court is letting the court know that there is a large public interest and I appreciate your efforts on behalf of the rest of us.

 ---

Being a court advocate creates a bigger presence in the court room, to the judge, and is documented throughout the whole process. We had to go to a training. We were told to not speak about the case. Just in case we say something the wrong way and it could hurt what we are in the end trying To accomplish. Which is justice. The "code of silence" as you so put it is in place for a reason.

Yes, and I’ve talked with other court advocates as well, in the 17th District.  As I said previously, there never heard about remaining silent and not reporting what happened in court.  Maybe they do things differently in the 18th District.

 ---

No one owes you any information.

I never said anyone “owes” me information.  I’m just asking for anyone willing to share what they know.  John Greenfield over on chi.streetsblog.org is providing many of us with factual information without taking a side, far more information than we’re getting elsewhere.  We’re not “owed” information and we appreciate that John is supplying the information that the ATA isn’t.

 ---

If you really care and want to make a difference, show up to court a couple times, instead of whining

I don’t think I’ve been whining; it seems to me the whining has been coming from those who want to see the “code of silence” kept.

 ---

This process is frustrating for all of us involved without some hero with a plea bargain petition (which I signed)

Thank you for signing the petition.  I don't consider myself a "hero" however.

---
I'm pretty sure you're a grown man.

Very grown!  Old, actually.

 ---

We all want justice.

On that we agree.


Permalink Reply by Tom Dworzanski on October 10, 2013 at 12:24pm

Did they teach you in court advocate school to go on the Internet and try to get all non-court-advocates to stop talking about the case? Because it sure does seem like it. Perhaps one of you court advocates should get some guidance about whether or not you should even be participating in this discussion. And that includes those of you who are just egging others on.

The more people tell others not to talk the more talk there is about not being able to talk. This is not a chicken and egg problem. Stop telling people they can't talk and they will stop talking about you telling them not to talk. I don't understand why this is so hard.



Marina Fichera said:

Being a court advocate creates a bigger presence in the court room, to the judge, and is documented throughout the whole process. We had to go to a training. We were told to not speak about the case. Just in case we say something the wrong way and it could hurt what we are in the end trying To accomplish.
Permalink Reply by Marina Fichera on October 10, 2013 at 12:32pm
I'm not suggesting that people don't talk about it. I was explaining why the court advocates aren't so the "code of silence" crap could be dropped. If your read it properly you would've caught on to that. Maybe you need to go back to grammar school??
And you're going to tell me not to participate In this discussion when you preach about being able to talk freely?! I'm not telling you not to talk about it. Quite the opposite. But stop judging the people who take the time to be the presence in the court room instead of hiding behind a computer and pointing the finger at one another.br/>



Tom Dworzanski said:

Did they teach you in court advocate school to go on the Internet and try to get all non-court-advocates to stop talking about the case? Because it sure does seem like it. Perhaps one of you court advocates should get some guidance about whether or not you should even be participating in this discussion. And that includes those of you who are just egging others on.

The more people tell others not to talk the more talk there is about not being able to talk. This is not a chicken and egg problem. Stop telling people they can't talk and they will stop talking about you telling them not to talk. I don't understand why this is so hard.



Marina Fichera said:

Being a court advocate creates a bigger presence in the court room, to the judge, and is documented throughout the whole process. We had to go to a training. We were told to not speak about the case. Just in case we say something the wrong way and it could hurt what we are in the end trying To accomplish.
Permalink Reply by Tom Dworzanski on October 10, 2013 at 1:14pm

Listen, if you follow this thread (and I guess some people are erasing their comments now so it may not all be available anymore) there was a huge discussion during which many people advocated silencing those who wanted to talk about this case. One comment even said that the posts of those who dared talk about the case should be deleted. This was followed by ridiculous lamenting about CL being an open forum. That is the "code of silence" crowd. It's not court advocates doing their duty and choosing not engage in this discussion (like you have commendably done). I'm glad you're not telling us we can't talk about it. I guess I mistook your position and I apologize for that.

I respect what you're doing for your friend. It's a wonderful thing. Please understand though that for some of us there are bigger issues to this situation than the case itself. We've already talked about these things on previous pages. Such bigger issues aren't necessarily always best advocated for from the benches behind the prosecution.


Marina Fichera said:

I'm not suggesting that people don't talk about it. I was explaining why the court advocates aren't so the "code of silence" crap could be dropped. If your read it properly you would've caught on to that. Maybe you need to go back to grammar school??
And you're going to tell me not to participate In this discussion when you preach about being able to talk freely?! I'm not telling you not to talk about it. Quite the opposite. But stop judging the people who take the time to be the presence in the court room instead of hiding behind a computer and pointing the finger at one another.br/>
Permalink Reply by Duppie on October 10, 2013 at 1:29pm

Thank you Marina

Marina Fichera said:

Congratulations. You're getting a real life court advocate , and also a very dear friend of Bobby's, to speak up. First of all, I know I'm probably talking to a brick wall and you're only going to hear what you want. But I'll say it anyway.
Being a court advocate creates a bigger presence in the court room, to the judge, and is documented throughout the whole process. We had to go to a training. We were told to not speak about the case. Just in case we say something the wrong way and it could hurt what we are in the end trying To accomplish. Which is justice. The "code of silence" as you so put it is in place for a reason. No one owes you any information. Jason so kindly tells you all what happens. Which isn't much. Dude wants his car and can't drive. That's it. Plus, it's really hard to hear what goes on in there anyway.
I don't know why you're so adamant about creating a fuss over it. If you really care and want to make a difference, show up to court a couple times, instead of whining that you don't know what's going on. This process is frustrating for all of us involved without some hero with a plea bargain petition (which I signed) complaining about it.
I'm pretty sure you're a grown man. And I don't like talking to people this way, but you need to chill out. Obviously my last post went unnoticed. Tear my post up all you want, but I've kept my mouth shut for awhile. And while I am a court advocate, I won't be posting updates, because it's my responsibility not to. We all want justice. And I'll say again, like I posted before, it's amazing that you all care and want to keep up with everything. It's awesome the outpouring of support. It's important that we all do that for each other, whether you know the person or not. Bobby was my friend, and I won't jeopardize anything for anyone that could stand in the way of a smidgen of justice for this great man not being in our lives anymore. Respect each other, respect us. You will be informed. But there's isn't a whole lot happening, so just relax



b
Bob Kastigar said:

Morgan 6 mi said:

This was the update I was looking for (about the car specifically) and thought we would be getting in this thread.

I, too, thought we would be getting a lot more specific information and reporting from the Active Transportation Alliance.  I thought they would be more response to reporting facts to the bicycling (and walking and transportation) community than honoring any "code of silence" commitment they made. 

They should never have entered into such an commitment. 

Greenfield's reporting on the blog has been much more complete and factual.  I don't see how what he reported could have harmed the trial outcome.  I don't see why all the Courtroom Advocates and so intent on refusing to share information.

I'm very disappointed in the Active Transportation Alliance in their participation in the reporting; hopefully they will do better in the future.

Although critical, I will continue to support the Active Transportation Alliance and continue paying my dues and encouraging others who ride bicycles to do the same.

Permalink Reply by Will on October 10, 2013 at 1:58pm

Your perspective may be different, but I wouldn't recommend characterizing it as "bigger".


Tom Dworzanski said:

Please understand though that for some of us there are bigger issues to this situation than the case itself. 

Permalink Reply by Tom Dworzanski on October 10, 2013 at 2:30pm

Good point. I didn't mean to imply a higher importance. Maybe "broader" would have been a better choice.

Will said:

Your perspective may be different, but I wouldn't recommend characterizing it as "bigger".


Tom Dworzanski said:

Please understand though that for some of us there are bigger issues to this situation than the case itself. 

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