Stop-sign sting at Kinzie and Kingsbury this am

Cops writing tickets for rolling the stop signs just east of the river, in the protected lane. You're gonna want to stop :-/. One of the cops told me he was going to "knock me off my bike if I didn't stop". As always, a bunch of sweethearts.

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Permalink Reply by Bill Savage on August 28, 2012 at 6:01am

I avoid these protected lanes as much as I do the lakefront bike path.  Too crowded, too many cyclists (along with peds and cars) not obeying the rules (the common-sense as well as letter-of-the-law rules).

Permalink Reply by Adam Kitzmann on August 28, 2012 at 7:17am

Agree, the Kenzie bike lane is a complete fucking mess. I'm really getting over it, too many people, super slow, I know it sounds snobbish, but I'd rather risk it on the streets until more people get comfortable riding in the city. If people (both cyclist and motorist) knew what the fuck they were doing and started to pay attention to their surroundings we wouldn't need ANY bike lanes. 

Bill Savage said:

I avoid these protected lanes as much as I do the lakefront bike path.  Too crowded, too many cyclists (along with peds and cars) not obeying the rules (the common-sense as well as letter-of-the-law rules).

Permalink Reply by Justin B Newman on August 28, 2012 at 7:25am

If the Kenzie lane is actually *congested*, it's been a huge success in my book.

-jbn

Permalink Reply by Adam Herstein on August 28, 2012 at 7:29am

+1

If you don't want to use the Kinzie cycle track, then that's fine. I'm just glad that the city is actually adding good bike infrastructure, and that people are actually using it.

Justin B Newman said:

If the Kenzie lane is actually *congested*, it's been a huge success in my book.

-jbn

Permalink Reply by Barry Aldridge on August 28, 2012 at 7:34am

Wow, I'm glad the police are doing this. I had no idea bicyclists were ever ticketed for anything.

Permalink Reply by Doug Haynes on August 28, 2012 at 7:35am

If it is congested and difficult to use to the point that regular commuters are seeking other routes is it really good bike infrastructure?



Adam Herstein said:

+1

If you don't want to use the Kinzie cycle track, then that's fine. I'm just glad that the city is actually adding good bike infrastructure, and that people are actually using it.

Justin B Newman said:

If the Kenzie lane is actually *congested*, it's been a huge success in my book.

-jbn

Permalink Reply by Tim S on August 28, 2012 at 7:35am

With you there, it's nice to hear there are congestion problems on the Kinzie lane.

Adam Herstein said:

+1

If you don't want to use the Kinzie cycle track, then that's fine. I'm just glad that the city is actually adding good bike infrastructure, and that people are actually using it.

Justin B Newman said:

If the Kenzie lane is actually *congested*, it's been a huge success in my book.

-jbn

Permalink Reply by Adam Herstein on August 28, 2012 at 7:36am

Yes, but the problem is that there are not enough of these cycle tracks to take the stress off of Kinzie. Hopefully, that will come in time.

Also, I never find that Kinzie is overcrowded. Not sure when you are riding it it, but I typically ride weekday afternoons and rarely see it crowded.

notoriousDUG said:

If it is congested and difficult to use to the point that regular commuters are seeking other routes is it really good bike infrastructure?



Adam Herstein said:

+1

If you don't want to use the Kinzie cycle track, then that's fine. I'm just glad that the city is actually adding good bike infrastructure, and that people are actually using it.

Justin B Newman said:

If the Kenzie lane is actually *congested*, it's been a huge success in my book.

-jbn

Permalink Reply by Don on August 28, 2012 at 7:52am

Yes.  More infrastructure like this definitely encourages new riders to use it, and the more experienced riders can either just be patient or find another route.

Hopefully an upgraded signaling system will help with the confusion.  IMO, that's the main problem with Kinzie...even when a car technically has the right of way, the street may be too congested for them to make a turn so I never know if they're going to still attempt it or just let the cyclists pass.  Then when I do stop to wait my turn, other cyclists are blowing through, creating more confusion.  I'd rather have a couple lights at the busier intersections rather than stop signs.  No right-of-way questions.


notoriousDUG said:

If it is congested and difficult to use to the point that regular commuters are seeking other routes is it really good bike infrastructure?



Adam Herstein said:

+1

If you don't want to use the Kinzie cycle track, then that's fine. I'm just glad that the city is actually adding good bike infrastructure, and that people are actually using it.

Justin B Newman said:

If the Kenzie lane is actually *congested*, it's been a huge success in my book.

-jbn

Permalink Reply by Anne Alt on August 28, 2012 at 7:54am

Absolutely.  It's fantastic to see so many cyclists using it.  I hope we'll see increased use of protected lanes all over the city.

Justin B Newman said:

If the Kenzie lane is actually *congested*, it's been a huge success in my book.

-jbn

Permalink Reply by Adam Herstein on August 28, 2012 at 7:55am

Agreed. Maybe instead of setting up stings at stop signs, the city should install a cycle-specific traffic light at that intersection. Granted, some people will still blow through it, but certainly more cyclists will obey a light over a stop sign.

Don said:

Yes.  More infrastructure like this definitely encourages new riders to use it, and the more experienced riders can either just be patient or find another route.

Hopefully an upgraded signaling system will help with the confusion.  IMO, that's the main problem with Kinzie...even when a car technically has the right of way, the street may be too congested for them to make a turn so I never know if they're going to still attempt it or just let the cyclists pass.  Then when I do stop to wait my turn, other cyclists are blowing through, creating more confusion.  I'd rather have a couple lights at the busier intersections rather than stop signs.  No right-of-way questions.


notoriousDUG said:

If it is congested and difficult to use to the point that regular commuters are seeking other routes is it really good bike infrastructure?



Adam Herstein said:

+1

If you don't want to use the Kinzie cycle track, then that's fine. I'm just glad that the city is actually adding good bike infrastructure, and that people are actually using it.

Justin B Newman said:

If the Kenzie lane is actually *congested*, it's been a huge success in my book.

-jbn

Permalink Reply by Kevin C Dormant on August 28, 2012 at 8:04am

The stop sign eastbound at Kingsbury is a "stop for peds" sign. Treat it as a yield. If pedestrians are present, Stop. If not, proceed through with caution. How is better signalization supposed to improve cyclists' compliance with rationally-based traffic laws and signs? 

Adam Herstein said:

Agreed. Maybe instead of setting up stings at stop signs, the city should install a cycle-specific traffic light at that intersection. Granted, some people will still blow through it, but certainly more cyclists will obey a light over a stop sign.


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