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To HS: It's going to slip to John Burge, and the cops who accosted cyclists at Taste, and the profiling of young people of color in Chicago.
I fully support a snazzy bike, locked with a second-tier lock, in an area that that the CPD have targeted in partnership with the ATA, in an established pattern of bike crime.
heather stratton said:people certainly do steal things because of their socioeconomic problems. nonetheless, as notoriousDUG and Joel pointed out, it's not entrapment unless you encourage theft. And frankly, you'd have to be pretty daft to grab a bike that doesn't belong to you without waiting a bit for its owner to appear.
the "slippery slope" is a silly argument and a logical fallacy to boot. what is this supposed slope going to slip down towards?
Another column on the same subject:
I feel that Bike theft keeps many people from riding bikes for the long term. They quit riding because they have no bike and feel it is a waste of money to invest in something that will just be stolen again.
You are part of the problem. I've lost coats and umbrellas in restaurants by people with your mentality.
Dr. Doom said:I don't think that it's really stealing to take an unlocked and unattended bike in a city like Chicago.
'Person of low SES' is usually a euphemism for 'poor black person'...People may steal because they're poor...but not because they're black.
Um...
Seriously dude? You're leaping into some conclusions that don't necessarily exist. A specific designation within the SES ladder doesn't indicate if someone or a group are people of color. Does that make sense?
Well I'll be clear. I'm saying that including racial distinction into this discussion isn't appropriate and should be avoided.
To HS: It's going to slip to John Burge, and the cops who accosted cyclists at Taste, ...
If my neighbor sets out a snazzy hi-fi setup on the curb and I take it, am I stealing?
Yes, you are stealing.
I've lived in large cities my whole life and there's always been a social consensus that legitimately untended property is up for grabs. That social consensus is wrong - it encourages theft.
If it isn't yours you shouldn't take it unless someone has specifically given it to you are marked it as "free gift".
"Social consensus" accepted slavery at one time too.
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And no this isn't entrapment.
A defense attorney can only use Entrapment as a defense against a criminal charge if law enforcement agents attempted to force or convince the defendant to commit an offense which the defendant would otherwise have not have committed.
Woo Wai v. United States, 223 F.1d 412 (9th Cir. 1915), Sorrells v. United States, 287 U.S. 435 (1932) and Jacobson v. United States, 503 U.S. 540 (1992).
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