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Fun but perhaps dangerous. Mounting mirrors, light and now cameras to helmets may seem like a good idea but they can cause a number of problems that make crashes more severe - or even cause crashes.
Michael Schumacher skiing crash: did helmet camera cause head injur...
Be safe out there and carefully consider the unintended (and potentially dangerous) consequences of changes to your gear before you make them.
I thought the Illinois Eavesdropping Act was struck down. If so this attorney needs to keep up with stuff! Plus that would make every parent recording their kids playing in a park with others present an instant felon. (I believe it was a felony)
"He also advises cyclists to be careful to set the camera so that it collects a visual, but not audio, record. Illinois eavesdropping laws prohibit recording audio without consent from all involved parties, Bekkerman said."
But recording non-police in public spaces is allowed, right?
And was the police restriction officially reversed, or did it just not survive the last challenge to it and is still in legal limbo?
h' 1.0 said:
I think that only had to do with the specific application to recording police officers in public in the course of their work.
Rich S said:I thought the Illinois Eavesdropping Act was struck down. If so this attorney needs to keep up with stuff! Plus that would make every parent recording their kids playing in a park with others present an instant felon. (I believe it was a felony)
"He also advises cyclists to be careful to set the camera so that it collects a visual, but not audio, record. Illinois eavesdropping laws prohibit recording audio without consent from all involved parties, Bekkerman said."
"Cyclists should be careful to follow the rules of the road because video footage could capture their own faults, making their case worse, Pakenas said."
I've often wondered about this. If someone records a ride where they roll through stop signs, or commit other infractions, and then they're in an collision where they didn't do anything wrong at the time of the collision, does the prior behavior have an impact on the case, even if it didn't contribute to the accident?
I don't see why they wouldn't just trim that part of the video out.
JeffB (7+ miles) said:
"Cyclists should be careful to follow the rules of the road because video footage could capture their own faults, making their case worse, Pakenas said."
I've often wondered about this. If someone records a ride where they roll through stop signs, or commit other infractions, and then they're in an collision where they didn't do anything wrong at the time of the collision, does the prior behavior have an impact on the case, even if it didn't contribute to the accident?
Thanks for including the text of the article in your post. I am shocked that footage is admissible sometimes. Is it because it can be altered in some way? Interesting perspective on "insurance" and how you never know when you might need it. Almost justifies dropping $300 on the GoPro, it'll be a one time payment for insurance. I didn't want to mount something on top of my helmet and went for the Veho Micro which clips onto clothing. DO NOT buy it! It does not work in cold weather (like below 40F). The reason I bought it was for the sole purpose of monitoring my winter rides as people are less aware of cyclists.
Tampering with evidence?
Christine (5.0) said:
I don't see why they wouldn't just trim that part of the video out.
JeffB (7+ miles) said:"Cyclists should be careful to follow the rules of the road because video footage could capture their own faults, making their case worse, Pakenas said."
I've often wondered about this. If someone records a ride where they roll through stop signs, or commit other infractions, and then they're in an collision where they didn't do anything wrong at the time of the collision, does the prior behavior have an impact on the case, even if it didn't contribute to the accident?
People are asking how the cam was mounted but the helmet was badly smashed (into pieces) during the accident and, thus far, if anyone knows they aren't talking.
h' 1.0 said:
Painful article. Glaring omission of one key piece of info--- was the helmet drilled into or otherwise modified to "weaken" it?
Funny that this article just came out as I had an incident on my commute home last night that convinced me to finally get a rear-mounted camera: some psycho driver pulled up behind me at a red light and started yelling at me to move to the right. When I explained I was where I was so as not to impede right-turning vehicles, he decided it was a good idea to rev his engine and lurch his car towards me. He did this several times as I grabbed my bike and got out of his way.
Had I captured the incident on camera, I would have ridden straight to the police station so that this asshole could learn his actions have consequences before he injures or kills someone.
This also reminds me of this anti-harassment law, which would allow bikers to pursue claims against such sociopaths in civil court when the police cannot be bothered: http://www.mybikeadvocate.com/2012/12/a-bicyclist-anti-harassment-b.... I wonder what the chances of getting such a law passed in Illinois are. Is this the sort of thing Active Trans would be able to pursue?
I had the exact same thing happen to me at an intersection in Wicker Park. I was so dumbfounded by him not understanding why I was leaving space for right-turning vehicles that I didn't know what to say. The guy pulled up next to me, revved his engine, and cut me off as soon as the light turned green. He got pretty close to me. Be careful out there, everyone.
David Altenburg said:
Funny that this article just came out as I had an incident on my commute home last night that convinced me to finally get a rear-mounted camera: some psycho driver pulled up behind me at a red light and started yelling at me to move to the right. When I explained I was where I was so as not to impede right-turning vehicles, he decided it was a good idea to rev his engine and lurch his car towards me. He did this several times as I grabbed my bike and got out of his way.
I don't think it's a question of "tampering with evidence," it's a question of whether the other parts of the video would be discoverable or admissible.
Maybe Brenden Kevenides, Jim Freeman, or Mike Keating can weigh in?
JeffB (7+ miles) said:
Tampering with evidence?
Christine (5.0) said:I don't see why they wouldn't just trim that part of the video out.
JeffB (7+ miles) said:"Cyclists should be careful to follow the rules of the road because video footage could capture their own faults, making their case worse, Pakenas said."
I've often wondered about this. If someone records a ride where they roll through stop signs, or commit other infractions, and then they're in an collision where they didn't do anything wrong at the time of the collision, does the prior behavior have an impact on the case, even if it didn't contribute to the accident?
I think the idea of the "Idaho Stop" makes a lot of sense. A bike is not a car and I'd like to think we can apply a different set of rules for each mode of transportation. But that might be a little too subtle and sophisticated for a lot of people to grasp, especially those who don't ride bikes.
Alex Z said:
I don't think it's a question of "tampering with evidence," it's a question of whether the other parts of the video would be discoverable or admissible.
Maybe Brenden Kevenides, Jim Freeman, or Mike Keating can weigh in?
JeffB (7+ miles) said:Tampering with evidence?
Christine (5.0) said:I don't see why they wouldn't just trim that part of the video out.
JeffB (7+ miles) said:"Cyclists should be careful to follow the rules of the road because video footage could capture their own faults, making their case worse, Pakenas said."
I've often wondered about this. If someone records a ride where they roll through stop signs, or commit other infractions, and then they're in an collision where they didn't do anything wrong at the time of the collision, does the prior behavior have an impact on the case, even if it didn't contribute to the accident?
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