New electric bike can haul 100 pounds of cargo
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Permalink Reply by Tom Dworzanski on
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Of course they neglect to mention how many pounds of human can go along with that 100 lbs because that matters quite a lot. The frame is extremely heavy, for that weight you could have gone with steel for strength and rider comfort. Next, the idea of replacing individual battery cells is pretty common and nothing new and you can turn any bike into an electric bike with any of the thousands of kits on eBay in an afternoon. $4,800 is pretty crazy for an electric bike that isn't anything special.
I'm guessing the reporter and the dude know each other and this was just a friendly way to hook up his company with some free publicity because the bike is nothing special.
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Permalink Reply by Jerry Lee on
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One my electric bike weighs about 100# with batteries and motor, and hauls my 250# body at around 30mph, add a few more battery cells and with a 1500 watt controller, you can join the 40 mph club. Cost is $229 for motor , wheel, throttle and controller(a year and half ago, now around $300), my lipo batteries run about about $180. Used it on Bike the Drive these last 2 years, where you can go WOT for a while, passed a lot of light weight bikes.
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Permalink Reply by KayCee on
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LOL- I thought it was a typo! I ran into a lady at 11th street beach with an "El Mundo" she uses to haul big kids. Agreed, that price is nuts! More options for practical biking is great, for sure, but I thought they were going with 1000 pounds, since 100 is as you say, nothing special. That said- more than a few hundred pounds on two wheels is a bit ridiculous, have you seen what it takes to stop and start 400 pounds of bananas? (It's been up before, but I'm posting again. Just for fun.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=i7z7lUaIkeM
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The chargers run between $80 to $300, and you need a power supplyabout $100. My setup ran $140 for charger and about $100 for power supply. I have 2 sets of batteries each can run 15 to20 miles, depending if you are a leadfoot or not. I had the batteries about 2 years now, they can be charged up 1000 times, If I ride on weekends, I charge twice, when I commute from Andersonville to franklin Park, I charg about 7 time that week. I don't think I'll get a 1000 charges, but we'll see then.
these 2 sets of Lipo batteries can run on any of my 7 ebikes, they use a common plug among them and total amps for the 2 sets are 20A@48v. 10A will get you 15 to 20 miles.
Maybe this weekend, I am going to run my ebike at about 24v instead of 48v to see if I can stretch the mileage, running on 1 set of batteries for the same distance will cut about 15 pounds of weight.
h' 1.0 said:How much for the charger? How long do the batteries last before needing replacing?
Jerry Lee said:One my electric bike weighs about 100# with batteries and motor, and hauls my 250# body at around 30mph, add a few more battery cells and with a 1500 watt controller, you can join the 40 mph club. Cost is $229 for motor , wheel, throttle and controller(a year and half ago, now around $300), my lipo batteries run about about $180. Used it on Bike the Drive these last 2 years, where you can go WOT for a while, passed a lot of light weight bikes.
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Davis;
I don't think it is wise to go 40mph or even 30mph on crowded streets, dooring possibility, potholes etc. I keep it around 20mph max , usually cruise about 14mph at the most. Chicago is flat, when there is an incline, you can climb with no effort as others are pedaling away in low gear. On Bike the Drive, there is plenty of open space after Oak st to open up. Another good place is out in the boonies, low traffic, better roads. The power comes from a wall socket courtesy of Com-Ed, for about 3 to 4 hours a night. the more throttle used, the less distance covered.
Davis Moore said:Awesome. The potential for 350 pounds of mass to go 40mph in the bike lane or on a multi use path without having to even break a sweat. What's not to like about that?
And as a bonus the electricity all comes from solar and wind right?
Jerry Lee said:One my electric bike weighs about 100# with batteries and motor, and hauls my 250# body at around 30mph, add a few more battery cells and with a 1500 watt controller, you can join the 40 mph club. Cost is $229 for motor , wheel, throttle and controller(a year and half ago, now around $300), my lipo batteries run about about $180. Used it on Bike the Drive these last 2 years, where you can go WOT for a while, passed a lot of light weight bikes.
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Permalink Reply by Doug Haynes on
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Know what else can haul a 100 pounds of cargo?
My regular old me powered bike.
Electric bikes are LAME; if you don't have to pedal to make it go you may as well just ride a moped.
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there are several kinds of lithium batteries, Lipo, Lifepo4(lithium iron phosphate) , and several other kind, that I am not that familar with. there are also batteries such A123(Dewalt use them on their power tools), those look like battery cells and use can piece them together to form size and shape and power.
I started ebiking with seal lead acid battery( like your motorcycle battery) at 24v. I added another battery to get 36v and weight now is approaching 25 pounds. I then got Lifepo4, at 42v and a loss of 15 pounds. I used for about 6 months, avoiding Lipo's because of fire hazards. Then I brought down and got into lipo's, and lost another 5 pounds and more power and smaller physical size battery. There is a limit of how much batteries you can carry. lot of newcomers buy a ping battery out Hong kong and paid $500 for and comes with charger. Chemistry is of Lifepo4.
My charger that I used , total cost about almost $300 balance all the cells and charges quickly. You can buy a $50 charger with a built in power supply, but it will take you 8 hours to charge one pack. Caution: I sad earlier fire hazard...you don't want to charge batteries while you are sleeping, especially Lipo. Once it start burning, due to excess discharge or puncturing it, it is very hard to put out and likely
your house will be gone.Yes, I rode recumbents with fairing, and on this years Late Night ride I rode an electric power recumbent, I have 2 electric recumbents. Do I ride only electric? No, up until 2 months ago, I commuted to franklin park from Andersonville on my pedal mountain bike about 2.5 hours each way. Then I used the ebike just for the heck of it, it now becomes about 1.5 each way. on all the neighborhood rides with Lee Diamond and Bike45 rides, I use my various ebikes. I have 7 pedal bikes available including 2 recumbents, a Lightning P-38 and a tadpole trike. I have put thoughts on converting the trike, but it's a pain in the rear to get in and out of the house.
h' 1.0 said:
Just asking because I've wanted to switch to some sort of Lithium for mobile sound systems for a while, but when I figure in the cost of a compatible charger the expense quickly crosses into the "ridiculous."
So was wondering how that could be casually left out of the equation.
Didn't you used to be the guy that was all about human power, recumbents with fairings and the like?
Do you only ride electric bikes now?
Jerry Lee said:The chargers run between $80 to $300, and you need a power supplyabout $100. My setup ran $140 for charger and about $100 for power supply. I have 2 sets of batteries each can run 15 to20 miles, depending if you are a leadfoot or not. I had the batteries about 2 years now, they can be charged up 1000 times, If I ride on weekends, I charge twice, when I commute from Andersonville to franklin Park, I charg about 7 time that week. I don't think I'll get a 1000 charges, but we'll see then.
these 2 sets of Lipo batteries can run on any of my 7 ebikes, they use a common plug among them and total amps for the 2 sets are 20A@48v. 10A will get you 15 to 20 miles.
Maybe this weekend, I am going to run my ebike at about 24v instead of 48v to see if I can stretch the mileage, running on 1 set of batteries for the same distance will cut about 15 pounds of weight.
h' 1.0 said:How much for the charger? How long do the batteries last before needing replacing?
Jerry Lee said:One my electric bike weighs about 100# with batteries and motor, and hauls my 250# body at around 30mph, add a few more battery cells and with a 1500 watt controller, you can join the 40 mph club. Cost is $229 for motor , wheel, throttle and controller(a year and half ago, now around $300), my lipo batteries run about about $180. Used it on Bike the Drive these last 2 years, where you can go WOT for a while, passed a lot of light weight bikes.
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Dug;
there is satisfaction when you blow by a Lycra clad expensive bike and you see in the mirror of them trying to catch up, and I am old and fat. I don't mean that I am so fast, that i am uncatchable. There some of those guys absolutely fast. They call it cheating, they said that when I was riding recumbents, thats cheating, whatever.
I don't know if you know Ed Gin, a very fast rider, former HPra racer, who now ride a lightspeed, that you can pickup with one finger, this Sunday he had the chance ride one of my ebikes around the block, it turns out he was keeping up and passing cabs on Clark st, then on Foster.
I also ride a 1200 Harley Davidson Sportster, I am considering a motor scooter. there is a shop on Western north of Division that sells Mopeds, they looks snazzy, wouldn't mind one of them either. Nothing wrong with a moped.
notoriousDUG said:Know what else can haul a 100 pounds of cargo?
My regular old me powered bike.
Electric bikes are LAME; if you don't have to pedal to make it go you may as well just ride a moped.
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So you take pride in passing real cyclists because your electric bike goes faster with you not working than they go powering it themselves, is that right?
ride an electric bike all you want but stop trying to pretend you're a cyclist when you do it.
Jerry Lee said:Dug;
there is satisfaction when you blow by a Lycra clad expensive bike and you see in the mirror of them trying to catch up, and I am old and fat. I don't mean that I am so fast, that i am uncatchable. There some of those guys absolutely fast. They call it cheating, they said that when I was riding recumbents, thats cheating, whatever.
I don't know if you know Ed Gin, a very fast rider, former HPra racer, who now ride a lightspeed, that you can pickup with one finger, this Sunday he had the chance ride one of my ebikes around the block, it turns out he was keeping up and passing cabs on Clark st, then on Foster.
I also ride a 1200 Harley Davidson Sportster, I am considering a motor scooter. there is a shop on Western north of Division that sells Mopeds, they looks snazzy, wouldn't mind one of them either. Nothing wrong with a moped.
notoriousDUG said:Know what else can haul a 100 pounds of cargo?
My regular old me powered bike.
Electric bikes are LAME; if you don't have to pedal to make it go you may as well just ride a moped.
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Permalink Reply by Elwood Gruschow on
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In the middle of this month a wedding is scheduled in our family. We are the host for five out of town guests arriving by plane. We do not own a car.
I just completed reserving a Lincoln Navigator for those three days. When I rumble down the street in that 6000 pound behemoth do you think I will feel satisfaction blowing past a zipping lycra clad roadie or a purposeful electric bike going their own way? I anticipate envying both of them.
Satisfaction is what I will feel , among other senses, when I complete the 12th Annual Perimeter Ride late afternoon of the 29th.Jerry Lee said
Dug;
there is satisfaction when you blow by a Lycra clad expensive bike and you see in the mirror of them trying to catch up, and I am old and fat…..
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yep, i am a douche, an old fat fart and whatever else, that's me. yep the reason, the motor helps, but it is not enough, since top speed of bike is around 20mph at 48volts, add more batteries you will hit 30mph and so on, but at the moment top speed is around 20mph, pedaling can bring it up to 25 to 30mph.
your comment about the car passing, can a lycra guy pass a car on a highway? if you got time looks at this video, seeing a ebike pass cars and trucks on the highway.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX85N8I6XSw
so today some lycra, tommorrow cars........
kiltedcelt said:Jerry Lee said:
Dug;
there is satisfaction when you blow by a Lycra clad expensive bike and you see in the mirror of them trying to catch up, and I am old and fat. I don't mean that I am so fast, that i am uncatchable. There some of those guys absolutely fast. They call it cheating, they said that when I was riding recumbents, thats cheating, whatever.
I'm not going to jump on the I-hate-electric-bikes train, but I will say this - you can't blow by some lycra-clad roadie who is riding an expensive lightweight bike, on your electric-assist bike and consider that some sort of achievement. If you think that's cool, you're just some douche on an electric bike who doesn't realize that the only reason you're blowing past anyone is because you're using a motor. Give those roadies your same bike and the two of you can duke it out. I bet you probably won't be the fastest guy then, or hey, maybe you'll just be two douches on electric bikes going fast. Electric bikes have their uses - electric assist motors for cargo bikes that haul really heavy loads, especially where there are lots of hills, or perhaps for old farts or people who just can't pedal for long distances. However, don't kid yourself and think that you're doing anything while riding an electric bike that can be equated with moving a bike entirely with your own two legs. It's pretty much apples and oranges here. I could make the same argument and say, "Haha! Stupid lycra-clad roadie, I just totally blew past him in my car. Haha! Dude couldn't even keep up!"
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with the way i see a cyclist blow thru red light and not even slowing for stop signs, I am not a cyclist.
and for the uninform....you do have to pedal, or 2 things....run out of batteries or fry the motor/controller.
notoriousDUG said:So you take pride in passing real cyclists because your electric bike goes faster with you not working than they go powering it themselves, is that right?
ride an electric bike all you want but stop trying to pretend you're a cyclist when you do it.
Jerry Lee said:Dug;
there is satisfaction when you blow by a Lycra clad expensive bike and you see in the mirror of them trying to catch up, and I am old and fat. I don't mean that I am so fast, that i am uncatchable. There some of those guys absolutely fast. They call it cheating, they said that when I was riding recumbents, thats cheating, whatever.
I don't know if you know Ed Gin, a very fast rider, former HPra racer, who now ride a lightspeed, that you can pickup with one finger, this Sunday he had the chance ride one of my ebikes around the block, it turns out he was keeping up and passing cabs on Clark st, then on Foster.
I also ride a 1200 Harley Davidson Sportster, I am considering a motor scooter. there is a shop on Western north of Division that sells Mopeds, they looks snazzy, wouldn't mind one of them either. Nothing wrong with a moped.
notoriousDUG said:Know what else can haul a 100 pounds of cargo?
My regular old me powered bike.
Electric bikes are LAME; if you don't have to pedal to make it go you may as well just ride a moped.
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