Trying to locate August accident victim Christina Feigin

Hi, all. Very early in the morning Sunday, August 5 (I think), Abraham and I were in the Home Depot parking lot waiting for our convoy to start off for Boy Scout camp, when I heard a nasty crash over on the North Avenue bridge. Ran over there and saw a woman on her back in terrible shape, bleeding profusely, her nice bike crumpled on the sidewalk. The driver was freaking out but not doing anything to help.

I calmed the woman down until police and paramedics came. Asked her her name, "Christina Feigin." Related to the bodybuilder Fima Feigin? "Yes, he's my father. How do you know him?" I'd had conversations with him years ago when he first opened his training facility in River North.

Then the paramedics came and shooed me away before I could get more information.

Anyway, I was wondering if anyone knew her and how she is doing.

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Permalink Reply by Peter Zelchenko on September 10, 2012 at 7:31am

Actually, I've done a good deal of work looking for her father and for her, to no avail. If you'd like to give it a try, be my guest. (I'm really quite good at this, having done this professionally* -- but perhaps you're much better or you can find some new path that I haven't scoured.)

I also can't really see your argument for not publicizing this. Police regularly disclose, and newspapers regularly publish, this kind of victim information. It's considered a community service, and conceivably there's someone on The Chainlink who might be very interested in this. You mentioned you had 10 reasons. How about sharing them?

* see http://pete.zelchenko.com/partyline/party_line_2009-07-24.html and http://pete.zelchenko.com/partyline/party_line_2009-09-25.html for examples

Permalink Reply by Duppie on September 10, 2012 at 8:26am

The victim may be failing a lawsuit against someone.

I have been in an accident and my lawyer explicitly mentioned not to talk about it on Facebook, Chainlink, or whatever the social media of choice. The other party can use any statement you make online against you.

That is enough of a reason as far as I am concerned



Peter Zelchenko said:

I also can't really see your argument for not publicizing this. Police regularly disclose, and newspapers regularly publish, this kind of victim information. It's considered a community service, and conceivably there's someone on The Chainlink who might be very interested in this. You mentioned you had 10 reasons. How about sharing them?

Permalink Reply by ilter on September 10, 2012 at 12:39pm

I would not want to see my name and location at a given time posted on an online forum, let alone during an accident.  You could omit her name & other personal details, and reach out to someone who knows her. I am not going to discuss how.

Permalink Reply by Peter Zelchenko on September 10, 2012 at 2:43pm

Poor arguments, mostly. Is this all that the best and brightest of the slacker generation has to offer? Paramedics "tend to have good instincts"? Good grief. I'm sorry, I'm going with my own instincts. Still looking for Christina or Kristina Feigin. Because I want to see how she's doing. The rest of you can hide in your holes.

Permalink Reply by Kevin C Dormant on September 10, 2012 at 3:04pm

With your superior instincts, judgment, moral authority, deductive and inductive reasoning, you have sized up the membership of the chainlink in the three days you've been a member. Awesome!  You should really get yourself a shitty blog somewhere.

Peter Zelchenko said:

Poor arguments, mostly. Is this all that the best and brightest of the slacker generation has to offer? Paramedics "tend to have good instincts"? Good grief. I'm sorry, I'm going with my own instincts. Still looking for Christina or Kristina Feigin. Because I want to see how she's doing. The rest of you can hide in your holes.

Permalink Reply by Peter Zelchenko on September 10, 2012 at 3:30pm

Well, you're off base on several counts, not doing much better than your other anonymous pals.

First, I'm not passing judgment on all Chainlinkers, only the several putzes who have chosen to question my judgment in the presumptuous way they did, instead of lending a helping hand.

Next, I gained access to Chainlink strictly for the purpose of attempting to locate the Feigins, having at length exhausted other avenues; hence the three-day tenure. I have always liked The Chainlink, but have never had occasion to use it until now.

Third, you make wrong presumptions about my experience with slackers and the greater Chicagoland cycling community -- both of which I'm quite familiar with. I turned 50 years old Saturday and have lived with everything from beats to postslack first hand; I have been riding a bicycle in the city since 1965 and have been in on many online Chicago discussions since the late 1970's (that's right, before usenet via UUCP -- even on CBBS, which you've probably never heard of) and through to the chi-crit-mass listserv and others; I know most of the leaders of the Chicago cycling community, and as something of an elder here myself, I thought I would exercise my judgment by discreetly making a rare entry and inquiring about this poor kid. Only to get my head bitten off by a bunch of snotnosed poseurs.

Finally, I already have a shitty blog somewhere. But thanks just the same.

Permalink Reply by Anne B. on September 10, 2012 at 3:57pm

There are valid reasons not to post names/info about bike accidents online but I definitely sympathize with wanting to know the outcome of a bad accident scene you came across! I've been tempted to post something before on Everyblock (about a car accident, not a bike accident) but ultimately resigned myself to never knowing the full story. 

Though it's less likely to result in finding info, perhaps posting just an intersection and date of accident, with no other details, is an acceptable way to go about doing this. Not sure if you can edit your original post but please consider removing the details/identifiers. 

I'm still trying to get over waking up to the sound of a deadly car accident near my apartment this summer. Awful. 

Permalink Reply by ilter on September 10, 2012 at 4:04pm

Peter, I believe you are a good person at heart & have good intentions. However, you should realize you are making the assumption that this person you are looking for will not be offended or hurt by her name along with family/health/accident details published online without her consent. And that is a big assumption, which you should revisit with a calm head now, before this thread turns into another polemic.

And ilter is my first name, I trust that you can find my last name :)

Permalink Reply by Peter Zelchenko on September 10, 2012 at 4:05pm

A reasonable argument, finally. But my identifying the location and victim served two calculated purposes: to alert the community to the accident, and to reach out to anyone who might know the victim but had not heard about the incident.

Permalink Reply by Peter Zelchenko on September 10, 2012 at 4:42pm

As nicely as you said that, I'm sticking to my guns. Let's stop analyzing this and get on with it. Or, you can go to the Chainlink Heads and petition for them to emend the name of the person if you're so worried. My sense is that people aren't really so concerned as all that; they just want to raise a stink about a presumptuous newbie, try to put him into his place.

And, I know I have a good heart and good intentions; I really have no need for any stranger to guess at it.


ilter said:

Peter, I believe you are a good person at heart & have good intentions. However, you should realize you are making the assumption that this person you are looking for will not be offended or hurt by her name along with family/health/accident details published online without her consent. And that is a big assumption, which you should revisit with a calm head now, before this thread turns into another polemic.

And ilter is my first name, I trust that you can find my last name :)

Permalink Reply by NYC (7.0 mi) on September 11, 2012 at 3:53am

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

 

"Poor arguments, mostly."

 

Why?  Because you said so?

 

I wouldn't want my personal shit brought up by some stranger on the internets.

Permalink Reply by Peter Zelchenko on September 11, 2012 at 3:59am

Too bad, since your personal shit is already all over the Internet, and a good detective could reconstruct your story together in an hour or two. And also, too bad, you're not the Feigins. You're just another lame voice trying to get your rocks off by slamming a newbie. Well, tough luck; I'm not intimidated.

It's been fun, but I'm done fielding this lameness.

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