Do we need designated bike 'security' at events like last night's?
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Permalink Reply by Far'arned Retrogrumpalunkus #63 on
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It'd be much easier to cut at the back and then just use a diagonal pliers to cut a few spokes. Spokes cut like butter and you could probably cut 5-6/second. That wouldn't hardly even slow someone down. The time saved from doing it at the back would be probably be worth it being slowed down by a few spokes.
Ask someone who runs a hacksaw for a living. I'm an electrician and have probably made about 250 cuts/day for decades with a hacksaw. I am reasonably certain I could make that cut faster and cleaner and without nicking the frame. Plus running a side-cutter is another thing I've done. Cutting a tiny little spoke is nothing like cutting live wires doing demolition work prior to a remodel. It's child's play.
And don't believe for a second that the thief really cares about nicking the frame. They'll throw a piece of electrical tape over that nick when he sells a nice bike for $100 on the street. And it's not his baby -it's just something he can sell for whatever he can get for it. Speed is king and nobody will care. The beater in that picture you posted is probably safe. Nobody is going to steel that unless it has some really nice components on it.
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Permalink Reply by Ride it like you stole it on
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Such as which others?
I understand Chicago is more high crime then out here in the burbs. With things like grinders being used, you have no REAL defense. Unless someone see's it happening and says something. I have never has a problem with this method in or out of the city. I just to not imagine someone treating a high end bike in the manner of the guy in the video.
notoriousDUG said:Yes, but that way is easier to defeat than a lot of others.
People forget that Sheldon did not live in a high theft risk area so you need to take his opinion on locking with a grain of salt. A lock company rep once told me that people in other cities think he is insane when he tells them bike thieves around here use angle grinders.
Ride your bicycle everywhere said:If they REALLY want your bike, they will get it. It is still the best strategy I know of.
James BlackHeron said:I'm not a big fan of the Sheldon Method.
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And your preferred/suggest locking method would be?
James BlackHeron said:It'd be much easier to cut at the back and then just use a diagonal pliers to cut a few spokes. Spokes cut like butter and you could probably cut 5-6/second. That wouldn't hardly even slow someone down. The time saved from doing it at the back would be probably be worth it being slowed down by a few spokes.
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Most of the time you can just go through the frame at the chainstays (or even the seatstays if there aren't rear brakes in the way) and THEN around the tire/rim. It's Sheldon +Frame and with most U-locks it's not too far of a reach through a typical bike rack. Sometimes it requires a long-shackle U-lock to do. One the bike in your pic it wouldn't be any harder to hit the chainstays since there isn't even a kickstand in the way.
Then use your OTHER U-lock to hit the Downtube in front and through the front tire AND around the bike rack a second time.
This forces the thief to cut BOTH locks with an angle-grinder. It makes him make two cuts and take twice a long to get through them both.
Unless your bike is a really sweet hit the thief will move onto a softer target.
Ride your bicycle everywhere said:And your preferred/suggest locking method would be?
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Permalink Reply by Doug Haynes on
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Such as anywhere outside of Chicago, LA and New York.
Here is the thing you have to remember, even here in Chicago, the guys running around with the grinders and such are not the majority of people stealing bikes. Most of the people yanking bikes are petty criminals or addicts armed with whatever they cold find, steal or afford, basic hand tools, and they are going to go after the low hanging fruit.
James locking suggestion is about as good as you are going to get.
Ride your bicycle everywhere said:Such as which others?
I understand Chicago is more high crime then out here in the burbs. With things like grinders being used, you have no REAL defense. Unless someone see's it happening and says something. I have never has a problem with this method in or out of the city. I just to not imagine someone treating a high end bike in the manner of the guy in the video.
notoriousDUG said:Yes, but that way is easier to defeat than a lot of others.
People forget that Sheldon did not live in a high theft risk area so you need to take his opinion on locking with a grain of salt. A lock company rep once told me that people in other cities think he is insane when he tells them bike thieves around here use angle grinders.
Ride your bicycle everywhere said:If they REALLY want your bike, they will get it. It is still the best strategy I know of.
James BlackHeron said:I'm not a big fan of the Sheldon Method.
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Harbor Freight is a cheap place to buy Bike Keys:
You don't need much dough to get started in da bidnis.
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I fully understand, and am aware. Any asshole can be a bike and/or parts thief with minimal cost.
I am understanding of James/and your lock procedure, but that is if you have a wide lock(to fit frame and wheel) and want to carry two locks(one for the front). I was just trying to suggest, that is you put both wheels in a long, vs. wide lock, it doubles the time. Which seem to match up with suggested technique I guess. Roughly 1-2 minutes with a hacksaw for two wheels, or 1-2 minutes with a grinder to two locks.
notoriousDUG said:Such as anywhere outside of Chicago, LA and New York.
Here is the thing you have to remember, even here in Chicago, the guys running around with the grinders and such are not the majority of people stealing bikes. Most of the people yanking bikes are petty criminals or addicts armed with whatever they cold find, steal or afford, basic hand tools, and they are going to go after the low hanging fruit.
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Permalink Reply by Comrade Cycles on
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Another solution (to this particular theft) is more real bike racks.
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Any shop should be able to order that lock for you.
That cable can be cut in about 30 seconds with simple wire cutters.
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A cable is really only useful for locking up the second wheel so it doesn't walk away too quickly. It'll slow down a wheel thief for about 30 seconds so he'll maybe decide to move on to the 3 bikes within 20 feet that don't have their wheels locked at all.
Or it's a good way to lock up a trailer (sort of a PITA to lock up a trailer) but that's all it's good for -and not very good at that. But It's better than nothing -barely.
I've got a 13mm cable that is pretty beefy but it's just something to slow down a wheel thief or give my trailer a lick and a prayer of being there when I get back (has anyone had a cheap kiddie trailer stolen?) -but it's almost more of a liability than a help because it is a huge sense of false security.
A cable like that is best used on the porch to keep the neighbors honest and not stealing your deck furniture. Even then it doesn't take much to cut through it.
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Permalink Reply by Zoetrope on
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A New York lock? I don't know why every bike shop wouldn't carry at least a few at all times...
My krpyto cable came a week or so ago and I always carry it now. Thanks for the rec, again. I use it to lock up my racks.
Thinking of ordering another u-lock soon. Maybe a mini evo or maybe another new york lock. Is two u-locks, a cable lock, and pit locks overkill? LOL
BTW, John, that's pretty cool of you to offer to lock people's bikes up and then go outside to unlock when they want to leave. Cheers.
John W. said:You got that right, James. Got your text, thanks. I guess it's time to buy/carry a third u-lock. Can't seem to go to this area without having something of mine or at least hear about something being stolen.
Anyone know where this can be bought locally (not Europe)? http://www.kryptonitelock.com/Products/ProductDetail.aspx?cid=1000&...Also, this cable is <$6. It can only help. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000NOO3ZQ/ref=ox_sc_act_title_9?i...
Also, why don't more people lock to other bikes? Some people know I bring 2 Kryp. u-locks and 1-2 Kryp. cables and am happy to throw my cable through wheels/frames. I've asked and been told "No thanks, I'd like to leave when I want" before. I don't mind running outside to unlock your bike either. Just my $.02.
I would have at least followed until I saw where they were going. Maybe to a car around the corner(usual M.O.) and then gotten the license plate number. AND for sure text my fellow riders up stairs(at the same time) to come out. I know several that are salivating to catch a thief.
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Low demand and high cost.
Many shops have the smaller NY locks but not the larger ones like that.
Brendan said:A New York lock? I don't know why every bike shop wouldn't carry at least a few at all times...
My krpyto cable came a week or so ago and I always carry it now. Thanks for the rec, again. I use it to lock up my racks.
Thinking of ordering another u-lock soon. Maybe a mini evo or maybe another new york lock. Is two u-locks, a cable lock, and pit locks overkill? LOL
BTW, John, that's pretty cool of you to offer to lock people's bikes up and then go outside to unlock when they want to leave. Cheers.
John W. said:You got that right, James. Got your text, thanks. I guess it's time to buy/carry a third u-lock. Can't seem to go to this area without having something of mine or at least hear about something being stolen.
Anyone know where this can be bought locally (not Europe)? http://www.kryptonitelock.com/Products/ProductDetail.aspx?cid=1000&...Also, this cable is <$6. It can only help. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000NOO3ZQ/ref=ox_sc_act_title_9?i...
Also, why don't more people lock to other bikes? Some people know I bring 2 Kryp. u-locks and 1-2 Kryp. cables and am happy to throw my cable through wheels/frames. I've asked and been told "No thanks, I'd like to leave when I want" before. I don't mind running outside to unlock your bike either. Just my $.02.
I would have at least followed until I saw where they were going. Maybe to a car around the corner(usual M.O.) and then gotten the license plate number. AND for sure text my fellow riders up stairs(at the same time) to come out. I know several that are salivating to catch a thief.
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