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Permalink Reply by Doug Haynes on April 13, 2011 at 3:46am

A friend of mine has a saying that I think applies here: 'in the absence of information people tend to assume the worst.'

 

I think that is a lot of what is happening here.

Jack said:

Vagueness lends to speculation.  Speculation leads to lower results.

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Permalink Reply by Gort 12-mile Pinklegneep on April 13, 2011 at 3:49am

I'm looking for a group that can provide ideas and conversations about how to get food in my body because my current method usualy leaves crumbs in my sinuses and is pretty painful.

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Permalink Reply by Melanie K on April 13, 2011 at 3:50am

Could you please explain what type of resources your organization offers?  I have visited the tumblr site and have read the different articles (I did like the one about "Bike Machines") but nothing I am reading really explains what "The Phase" is offering as far as resources go.  Your explanation above seems to convey that The Phase wants to alter the perception people have about food and healthy living, which is an admirable goal, but the references to "resources" seems to be lacking in description. I believe everyone would like to better their lives and live healthier, but could you please explain what resources The Phase offers, and how would joining this organization be of benefit? Thank you in advance.

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Permalink Reply by Daniel Mirzakhani on April 13, 2011 at 3:54am

Thank you Jack for your calm, rational post. The language we use in our ad is meant to illicit a reaction. And look! It did! We completely understand that people need the inner initiative to better their lives, but with the obesity rate in Illinois being 1 in 4....thats 1 in 4!!, we think that leaving people to their own devices is not going to garner change. The Phase is trying to address these giant issues on a local scale. The small goal we have our eyes set on currently is to help people realize that there are alternatives to the grocery industrial complex, available in this city.

 

Whether people want to acknowledge it or not, the every day foods you purchase are coming from organizations that are victimizing you and the people/resources they're using. Even something as benign as a head of romaine lettuce was most likely picked by someone living and working in slave-like conditions. And was grown using methods that are extremely harmful to the land and people surrounding the farm.

 

This is the system we're looking to change. It's a big goal, yes, but we are hoping to help people realize that to achieve this goal, you don't need to spend an exorbitant amount of money, and you don't have to go way out of your way to do this. We are here to help you make this realization. But you (not you specifically) need to make an effort in order to make this work, and I think an email is probably the easiest effort anyone can make.

 

Our ad was intentionally vague so people would have to start a conversation. Which is what we're doing!

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Permalink Reply by Dr. Doom on April 13, 2011 at 4:00am

The conversation is about how annoying your spam is, though, and that's among a group of people inclined to be receptive to your message. I suggest getting in touch with people who have been working on these issues their entire lives and seeing if they need some help, which they probably do.

Short of that, 'Politics and the English Language' and a copy of Strunk and White might do you some good, at least if you'd actually like to come off as something other than a Scientologist when propagandizing.

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Permalink Reply by Ed on April 13, 2011 at 4:26am

 

I'm starting a group that doesn't eat anymore PG,  you're welcome to join. 

We will have meetings for a couple of weeks.

Peenworm Grubologist said:

I'm looking for a group that can provide ideas and conversations about how to get food in my body because my current method usualy leaves crumbs in my sinuses and is pretty painful.

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Permalink Reply by Daniel Mirzakhani on April 13, 2011 at 4:47am

Thank you for your questions Melanie. The Phase is offering alternatives to the grocery industrial complex, which will empower you to acquire food from natural, socially conscious sources. If you would like a detailed list of what resources we're offering, please send us an email at themolecularcollective@gmail.com. We promise to keep your information safe and not bombard you with unrelated material. However, I am not the same person who answers those emails, so I would recommend asking the same questions in your email. Thank you!

Melanie said:

Could you please explain what type of resources your organization offers?  I have visited the tumblr site and have read the different articles (I did like the one about "Bike Machines") but nothing I am reading really explains what "The Phase" is offering as far as resources go.  Your explanation above seems to convey that The Phase wants to alter the perception people have about food and healthy living, which is an admirable goal, but the references to "resources" seems to be lacking in description. I believe everyone would like to better their lives and live healthier, but could you please explain what resources The Phase offers, and how would joining this organization be of benefit? Thank you in advance.

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Permalink Reply by Daniel Mirzakhani on April 13, 2011 at 4:51am

notoriousDUG, your second post was very insulting and sarcastic and I don't appreciate being cursed at and having my intelligence questioned when it's not warranted. I am eager for criticism when it's constructive, not dismissive and mean spirited, which most of these posts have been. 

notoriousDUG said:

Please explain to me how my response is not calm and rational?  How is not discussing your project, it's goals or how it plans to achieve them helping you out here?  People have asked you direct questions to clarify your organization and  you are ignoring them, not a good way to gain converts...

 

Your right, this is a free and open message board which means that if you post stuff here you need to expect to get responses that may not be what you were looking for.  Instead of clarifying your statements and discussing it you are 'taking your toys and going home' because you don't like the reception you got, not very mature.

 

No one insulted you, we criticized you post and if you can't handle criticism you probably should not use the internet; same goes for cynicism and sarcasm...  You will have to forgive me for being cynical and sarcastic about stuff like this, I have seen more 'organizations' than I can count show up on 'the scene' with no clearly declared purpose, no plan and tons of disorganized rhetoric with big plans that never get off the ground and your post and tumbler look a lot like all of them did.  Maybe instead of getting all pissy over it you should really think about the fact that a group of people who would be likely to have an interest in your message are not getting what you want to convey and not down with your approach; the first step in making change is connecting with the people you want to help and it really does not look like you are doing a good job of that.

 

Oh, and by the way, if you want to get your message out there you should probably respond to e-mails at he address you posted by sending some actual info...

 

Just sayin'

Daniel Mirzakhani said:

Ha, you people are incredible! I'm still waiting for someone to approach this issue without being sarcastic, cynical, insulting and dickish. I won't engage in frivolous online mud-slinging. If anyone would like to have a calm, rational discussion about this ad, I will respond to your post. Thanks!

 

And this is a free and open message board that is clearly marked "(NOT BIKE RELATED)"

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Permalink Reply by Duppie on April 13, 2011 at 4:52am

Melanie,

Since Daniel appears to be more interested in redirecting questions to an email address rather than naming actual resources that can help us to make those changes, here are a few local resources that I am familiar with that working toward changing our food supply:

 

http://www.learngrowconnect.org/what/urban/chicago

An organization that works with community partners to build healthy local food systems.

http://groups.google.com/group/chicago-chicken-enthusiasts?pli=1

A google group of local chicken owners that is a very useful resource if you are interested in keeping chickens on your property.

 

I am not familiar with this one, but it looks promising:

http://www.plantchicago.com/

John Edel, of Bubbly Dynamics fame is trying to build the first vertical farm in Chicago

Daniel Mirzakhani said:

Thank you for your questions Melanie. The Phase is offering alternatives to the grocery industrial complex, which will empower you to acquire food from natural, socially conscious sources. If you would like a detailed list of what resources we're offering, please send us an email at themolecularcollective@gmail.com. We promise to keep your information safe and not bombard you with unrelated material. However, I am not the same person who answers those emails, so I would recommend asking the same questions in your email. Thank you!

Melanie said:

Could you please explain what type of resources your organization offers?  I have visited the tumblr site and have read the different articles (I did like the one about "Bike Machines") but nothing I am reading really explains what "The Phase" is offering as far as resources go.  Your explanation above seems to convey that The Phase wants to alter the perception people have about food and healthy living, which is an admirable goal, but the references to "resources" seems to be lacking in description. I believe everyone would like to better their lives and live healthier, but could you please explain what resources The Phase offers, and how would joining this organization be of benefit? Thank you in advance.

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Permalink Reply by Daniel Mirzakhani on April 13, 2011 at 4:52am

And the dots are our logo!

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Permalink Reply by Michael A on April 13, 2011 at 5:15am

this pretty much explains it all

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Permalink Reply by Daniel Mirzakhani on April 13, 2011 at 5:22am

Thanks for sharing those links Duppie! They're great! If anyone has any others they'd like to share, by all means, let's have em!

 

And just to clairify, The Phase is a collective of many different people with many different areas of expertise. It would be impossible for me to convey all that information into a medium such as this, nor would it be fair to the rest of the collective. That is why we are encouraging people to email us, so we can have the chance to address people's individual needs, with input from the entire group. Thanks!

Duppie said:

Melanie,

Since Daniel appears to be more interested in redirecting questions to an email address rather than naming actual resources that can help us to make those changes, here are a few local resources that I am familiar with that working toward changing our food supply:

 

http://www.learngrowconnect.org/what/urban/chicago

An organization that works with community partners to build healthy local food systems.

http://groups.google.com/group/chicago-chicken-enthusiasts?pli=1

A google group of local chicken owners that is a very useful resource if you are interested in keeping chickens on your property.

 

I am not familiar with this one, but it looks promising:

http://www.plantchicago.com/

John Edel, of Bubbly Dynamics fame is trying to build the first vertical farm in Chicago

Daniel Mirzakhani said:

Thank you for your questions Melanie. The Phase is offering alternatives to the grocery industrial complex, which will empower you to acquire food from natural, socially conscious sources. If you would like a detailed list of what resources we're offering, please send us an email at themolecularcollective@gmail.com. We promise to keep your information safe and not bombard you with unrelated material. However, I am not the same person who answers those emails, so I would recommend asking the same questions in your email. Thank you!

Melanie said:

Could you please explain what type of resources your organization offers?  I have visited the tumblr site and have read the different articles (I did like the one about "Bike Machines") but nothing I am reading really explains what "The Phase" is offering as far as resources go.  Your explanation above seems to convey that The Phase wants to alter the perception people have about food and healthy living, which is an admirable goal, but the references to "resources" seems to be lacking in description. I believe everyone would like to better their lives and live healthier, but could you please explain what resources The Phase offers, and how would joining this organization be of benefit? Thank you in advance.

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