Bicycling wastes gas ?

I found this interesting and thought I would pass it on. I never considered the fact that what and how I eat had this much of an impact on anything more than my own health and well being. Chalk one up for the Veggiemonster :)

http://bicycleuniverse.info/transpo/energy.html



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Permalink Reply by Far'arned Retrogrumpalunkus #63 on October 1, 2010 at 12:12pm


Craig S. said:

By the way, new gelatto place in Lincoln Square. One of the flavors, made daily, has bacon in it. Heavenly!

I thought Heavenly Gelatto was off Milwaukee and Sawyer? ;)

But seriously, where is this new gelatto place in Lincoln Square exactly? I can has bacon gelatto???
Permalink Reply by Vilda on October 1, 2010 at 6:15pm


I really don't do gelatto but I'd pick out the bacon ;-) Tim I love you! I don't know why there has been debate cause you are on the side of calling the article nonsense. It's the sort of thing that causes meat people to make fun of nonmeat people when it shouldn't matter.

Here's what I know. Tim is one of the smarter guys out there. And he likes beer and bikes. I like beer and bikes. ;-) Same team. He could pee on 12 yr old Nigerian albino midgets after that and I wouldn't care so I'm just gonna keep posting meat pics while this thread is up. ;-)
Permalink Reply by Vilda on October 1, 2010 at 6:57pm


And done ;-)
Permalink Reply by Vilda on October 1, 2010 at 7:12pm
I don't eat that meat but it does qualify ;-)
Permalink Reply by Jason on October 1, 2010 at 8:10pm
I know right, cause like cotton, I dig it, it's funny to make light of the social ills that accompany it:


Hahahahahah I'm so funny on the internets!!!!!


Gabe said:


I really don't do gelatto but I'd pick out the bacon ;-) Tim I love you! I don't know why there has been debate cause you are on the side of calling the article nonsense. It's the sort of thing that causes meat people to make fun of nonmeat people when it shouldn't matter.

Here's what I know. Tim is one of the smarter guys out there. And he likes beer and bikes. I like beer and bikes. ;-) Same team. He could pee on 12 yr old Nigerian albino midgets after that and I wouldn't care so I'm just gonna keep posting meat pics while this thread is up. ;-)
Permalink Reply by Far'arned Retrogrumpalunkus #63 on October 2, 2010 at 12:48am
I prefer silk, the fact that they get to painfully kill a cute little cuddly worm by ripping its cocoon forcefully off it while it is sleeping for every single strand of fiber is just a huge bonus!

Pain is beauty!

Speaking of the 10:10 own-goal, does anyone remember the Planet Slayer website?
Permalink Reply by Dr. Doom on October 2, 2010 at 2:47am
I really don't do gelatto but I'd pick out the bacon ;-) Tim I love you! I don't know why there has been debate cause you are on the side of calling the article nonsense. It's the sort of thing that causes meat people to make fun of nonmeat people when it shouldn't matter.

Here's what I know. Tim is one of the smarter guys out there. And he likes beer and bikes. I like beer and bikes. ;-) Same team. He could pee on 12 yr old Nigerian albino midgets after that and I wouldn't care so I'm just gonna keep posting meat pics while this thread is up. ;-)

Dude it is the Internet, what is the point of it if you're not getting into arguments with people? Especially when I have no problem with people who eat meat, just with people who compare vegetarian types to Pol Pot. Anyway, my food porn wins:

Permalink Reply by Far'arned Retrogrumpalunkus #63 on October 2, 2010 at 4:47am


Dr. Doom said:
...I have no problem with people who eat meat, just with people who compare vegetarian types to Pol Pot.

Just as I don't have a problem with vegies except those who are trying to ban my meat. It's the internet, like you said. We all have our equally-valid and equally-wrong points of view. It is the marketplace of ideas.

If someone goes around equating meat with murder, rape and destroying the planet one should expect a little push-back.

This is something I learned from Sesame Street.

Permalink Reply by Duppie on October 2, 2010 at 4:50am
You're right. There should be time for voicing your frustrations, etc.
However, this thread is the water cooler conversation and the meat eaters play the role of cagers and are being villified without being shown a good alternative. Of course they are not going to take that lying down. Since Jason doesn't really respect meat eaters ("and you can't maintain any intellectual honesty if you try to deny the causal links, or try to disassociate your own culpability in a chain of events.". Really? He thinks he is qualified to judge my intellectual honesty?) the meat eaters retaliate by turning this thread into a joke.

I've seen this over and over again. Whether you're a vegan, a bicycling advocate, or support any other issue that is not mainstream yet, you have to keep the message in mind. Jason may be right in that veganism is the way to go, but he did nothing to convince me with his condescending tone.

H3N3 said:


Duppie said:
Anyhow, I think Dr Doom is making the right point. You don’t convert people by beating them upside their head with facts about how bad their behavior is. You convert them by showing how joyful your life’s choices are (and yes, I absolutely love kale). Same with bicycling. If you try to convert drivers by explaining how bad cars are for the environment, you’re bound to get less results than by showing how truly joyful riding your bike can be. Especially this week. Look at that sunshine!

Absolutely.
But it's also valuable to have community- or culture-internal discussions where you let all your frustrations hang out and commune with the like-minded; if someone chooses to do what sounds like "beating upside the head" in that context, have some faith that that they're going to take a different approach at the water cooler at work, over holiday dinner with the extended family, or when they write their letter to the editor.
Permalink Reply by Far'arned Retrogrumpalunkus #63 on October 2, 2010 at 5:13am


H3N3 said:
Are you saying I should have read the thread before composing this response?
Hmmm, interesting idea. I'll take it into consideration.

I vote that Howard just won!

:-D
Permalink Reply by Vilda on October 2, 2010 at 5:54am
Nah man that Broccoli is bangin....hehehe ;-)
And Tim if you made me work the farm you'd be fucked cause I don't do camping ;-)
Jason, Better late than never ;-)





Dr. Doom said:
I really don't do gelatto but I'd pick out the bacon ;-) Tim I love you! I don't know why there has been debate cause you are on the side of calling the article nonsense. It's the sort of thing that causes meat people to make fun of nonmeat people when it shouldn't matter.

Here's what I know. Tim is one of the smarter guys out there. And he likes beer and bikes. I like beer and bikes. ;-) Same team. He could pee on 12 yr old Nigerian albino midgets after that and I wouldn't care so I'm just gonna keep posting meat pics while this thread is up. ;-)

Dude it is the Internet, what is the point of it if you're not getting into arguments with people? Especially when I have no problem with people who eat meat, just with people who compare vegetarian types to Pol Pot. Anyway, my food porn wins:

Permalink Reply by Duppie on October 2, 2010 at 6:13am
Nah. We're already having a good time ridiculing each other. No need to complicate it and turning it into a serious and informative discussion.

H3N3 said:
Are you saying I should have read the thread before composing this response?
Hmmm, interesting idea. I'll take it into consideration.


Duppie said:
You're right. There should be time for voicing your frustrations, etc.
However, this thread is the water cooler conversation and the meat eaters play the role of cagers and are being villified without being shown a good alternative. Of course they are not going to take that lying down. Since Jason doesn't really respect meat eaters ("and you can't maintain any intellectual honesty if you try to deny the causal links, or try to disassociate your own culpability in a chain of events.". Really? He thinks he is qualified to judge my intellectual honesty?) the meat eaters retaliate by turning this thread into a joke.

I've seen this over and over again. Whether you're a vegan, a bicycling advocate, or support any other issue that is not mainstream yet, you have to keep the message in mind. Jason may be right in that veganism is the way to go, but he did nothing to convince me with his condescending tone.

H3N3 said:


Duppie said:
Anyhow, I think Dr Doom is making the right point. You don’t convert people by beating them upside their head with facts about how bad their behavior is. You convert them by showing how joyful your life’s choices are (and yes, I absolutely love kale). Same with bicycling. If you try to convert drivers by explaining how bad cars are for the environment, you’re bound to get less results than by showing how truly joyful riding your bike can be. Especially this week. Look at that sunshine!

Absolutely.
But it's also valuable to have community- or culture-internal discussions where you let all your frustrations hang out and commune with the like-minded; if someone chooses to do what sounds like "beating upside the head" in that context, have some faith that that they're going to take a different approach at the water cooler at work, over holiday dinner with the extended family, or when they write their letter to the editor.

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