I saw one of the stop sign stings for bikers this morning on Wells Street. It was pretty obvious as to what it was, but people were still blowing through the stop sign.
Anyone here get caught? Any thoughts on this?
One thing that I thought was funny was this girl who passed me while I was stopping, and then was flagged over and still tried to go. The police stepped in front of her...it looked like she was going to make a break for it, but she ended up stopping.
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I get upset when people get that ignorant and it shows.
Here is the thing:
While I do not agree with the current laws regarding cyclists and traffic controls or the selective enforcement of these laws the fact remains that it is still the law and it can be enforced. If you feel the law is wrong, useless or unjust you have three choices; ignore it and face the consequences like an adult, work to change the law or shut the hell up. Running around railing on the internet about how cars suck, the law sucks and the police suck is not going to do anything to solve the problem, in fact that kind of attitude makes things worse.
I run stops using what I consider to be good judgment but if I get pinched you aren't going to see me complaining about it.
Kellie said:Geez Doug, learn to form an opinion!
notoriousDUG said:This is just a flat out ignorant view because no matter how well you justify your opinion of what should be it does not change what the law actually is.
It's your life but how does your choice affect the pedestrian you run over and injure or the motorist you ride in front of and traumatize?
There are more cars then there are bikes and if we want to use the roads we need to acknowledge the rules of the road and accept that we can follow them or pay the price; usually with a ticket but occasionally our physical well being or even life.
If cars suck so bad I challenge you to live a 100% car free life, and by car free I mean quit buying anything or using ant service that requires a motor vehicle to get to you; let me know how starving to death works out for you.
Eddie said:...Not the same speed, weight, and killing power, hence not the same rules. Cars suck, and if there weren't so many, we wouldn't need all these stop signs. F'k the stop signs, and the cops who try to enforce them!! It's my life, and my time, and I choose when to stop, and when not to.
Regards,
A guy who has already been run over by a stupid driver.
Tank-Ridin' Ryan said:While this should be enforced for all road users, keep in mind that blowing a stop sign carries graver danger for a cyclist than a motorist.
Remember - Same Road, Same Rights, Same Rules.
This is the only sane way for a bicycle to operate and obey the laws.
There would be less stop signs. Bikes are smaller, very easy to manuver, do very little if no damage when crashed. There could be reason to have less order. As danger goes down then so should order (e.g. stop signs, lights, etc).
Tank-Ridin' Ryan said:Let's say there were less cars and more bikes. Wouldn't the increase in bike riders still make stop signs necessary?
Eddie said:Did you even read my message? I think you misunderstood. I choose to break the law when my safety is not compromised. And again, (if you didn't hear it the first time), if there weren't so many cars, we wouldn't have so many stop signs. And personnally, I think that if you drive a car, you should be penalized with more stop signs. If not for the mere fact that you are more dangerous, and you polute.
Tank-Ridin' Ryan said:As it stands now, yes, Same Road, Same Rights, Same Rules. If you have a problem with it, try to get it changed. Just because you don't like a rule doesn't mean you don't have to follow it. I'm sure all cyclists would be overjoyed if motorists decided to run red lights with abandon, etc. I have a feeling the number of ghost bikes would skyrocket.
Eddie said:...Not the same speed, weight, and killing power, hence not the same rules. Cars suck, and if there weren't so many, we wouldn't need all these stop signs. F'k the stop signs, and the cops who try to enforce them!! It's my life, and my time, and I choose when to stop, and when not to.
Regards,
A guy who has already been run over by a stupid driver.
Tank-Ridin' Ryan said:While this should be enforced for all road users, keep in mind that blowing a stop sign carries graver danger for a cyclist than a motorist.
Remember - Same Road, Same Rights, Same Rules.
There would be less stop signs. Bikes are smaller, very easy to manuver, do very little if no damage when crashed. There could be reason to have less order. As danger goes down then so should order (e.g. stop signs, lights, etc).
Tank-Ridin' Ryan said:Let's say there were less cars and more bikes. Wouldn't the increase in bike riders still make stop signs necessary?
Eddie said:Did you even read my message? I think you misunderstood. I choose to break the law when my safety is not compromised. And again, (if you didn't hear it the first time), if there weren't so many cars, we wouldn't have so many stop signs. And personnally, I think that if you drive a car, you should be penalized with more stop signs. If not for the mere fact that you are more dangerous, and you polute.
Tank-Ridin' Ryan said:As it stands now, yes, Same Road, Same Rights, Same Rules. If you have a problem with it, try to get it changed. Just because you don't like a rule doesn't mean you don't have to follow it. I'm sure all cyclists would be overjoyed if motorists decided to run red lights with abandon, etc. I have a feeling the number of ghost bikes would skyrocket.
Eddie said:...Not the same speed, weight, and killing power, hence not the same rules. Cars suck, and if there weren't so many, we wouldn't need all these stop signs. F'k the stop signs, and the cops who try to enforce them!! It's my life, and my time, and I choose when to stop, and when not to.
Regards,
A guy who has already been run over by a stupid driver.
Tank-Ridin' Ryan said:While this should be enforced for all road users, keep in mind that blowing a stop sign carries graver danger for a cyclist than a motorist.
Remember - Same Road, Same Rights, Same Rules.
There would be less stop signs. Bikes are smaller, very easy to manuver, do very little if no damage when crashed. There could be reason to have less order. As danger goes down then so should order (e.g. stop signs, lights, etc).
Tank-Ridin' Ryan said:Let's say there were less cars and more bikes. Wouldn't the increase in bike riders still make stop signs necessary?
Eddie said:Did you even read my message? I think you misunderstood. I choose to break the law when my safety is not compromised. And again, (if you didn't hear it the first time), if there weren't so many cars, we wouldn't have so many stop signs. And personnally, I think that if you drive a car, you should be penalized with more stop signs. If not for the mere fact that you are more dangerous, and you polute.
Tank-Ridin' Ryan said:As it stands now, yes, Same Road, Same Rights, Same Rules. If you have a problem with it, try to get it changed. Just because you don't like a rule doesn't mean you don't have to follow it. I'm sure all cyclists would be overjoyed if motorists decided to run red lights with abandon, etc. I have a feeling the number of ghost bikes would skyrocket.
Eddie said:...Not the same speed, weight, and killing power, hence not the same rules. Cars suck, and if there weren't so many, we wouldn't need all these stop signs. F'k the stop signs, and the cops who try to enforce them!! It's my life, and my time, and I choose when to stop, and when not to.
Regards,
A guy who has already been run over by a stupid driver.
Tank-Ridin' Ryan said:While this should be enforced for all road users, keep in mind that blowing a stop sign carries graver danger for a cyclist than a motorist.
Remember - Same Road, Same Rights, Same Rules.
If you filled the road with bikes and got rid of cars you would still need to have traffic controls because for one thing you are still going to have public transportation because not everyone can/will use a bike not to mention the need for delivery and service vehicles but we'll ignore that little issue and assume a 100% bike world so we replace all the cars on the road with bikes and now we have streets clogged with cyclists taking almost the same routes to and from almost the exact same places that people are driving to and from and you are going to end up with something like this:
Eddie didn't say you'd need no traffic controls with bikes, he said you'd need fewer controls (OK, he actually said "less", but give him a brake :-). It's right there in the first line of his post.
And if you get away from straw-man arguments and I hate cars/I hate bikes and all that and just think about urban planning, the point is correct. In my neighborhood, there's a stop sign at every single corner and they're all really just for cars. If we had 100% bike traffic, we'd still need traffic controls on major streets and intersections, but many of the side street stop signs could safely be removed.
Even at, say, 50% bike traffic or so, most four-way stop signs could easily be converted to two-way stop signs. Bikes require less infrastructure support, that's not a radical anti-car statement, it's just the simple truth.
notoriousDUG said:
If you filled the road with bikes and got rid of cars you would still need to have traffic controls because for one thing you are still going to have public transportation because not everyone can/will use a bike not to mention the need for delivery and service vehicles but we'll ignore that little issue and assume a 100% bike world so we replace all the cars on the road with bikes and now we have streets clogged with cyclists taking almost the same routes to and from almost the exact same places that people are driving to and from and you are going to end up with something like this:
What exactly did you tell the police when you called 911?
Amy Abramson said:Interesting. Had the cops been on Wells at around 4:45pm they would have caught a guy walking (very quickly, westward) with a bike frame (no wheels, etc.) and rolling another bike by his side. I called 911. Did they follow up on that? Who knows...
I really question the priorities here.
There will be less but they still need to be there and I am just taking it to an extreme to make a point.
I support the bicycle rolling stop for side streets, stop signs and the like as well as treating signals like stop signs or a yield. It is an issue of city planning and the cities have already been planned and society has been programed and if we want to change the standard plan in the future and update societies programing the 'CARS SUCK!' 'FUCK THE COPS!' 'YOUR EVIL IF YOU DRIVE!' rhetoric needs to stop, people need to respect drivers and otherwise put goodwill out there to help convert people.
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