OK I was on another discussion and I'm wondering...
Is any one else bothered by the big deal made about wallmart coming to Chicago, when what we really need is GOOD long term jobs here....
Why isn't daley trying to bring back at least SOME manufacturing here? I mean with so many people unemployed the cost of labour MUST be down, I know Schwinn is nothing more than a name BUT there must be some companies that would be willing to try, also since the price of land is down....How about SRAM? they are headquartered here.
So are we just a bunch of blind sheep that want our kids to play with lead painted toys from China because they are a buck? Or is anyone willing to pay more to have a non lead painted toy?
Isn't there a big drywall company with offices here in Chicago ? Why did China drywall show up in the south east with mystery stuff in it that MAY be toxic ?
I just think it's time for a real change
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Are you talking about community colleges or the universities? You can only get so far with an AA.
Ace Mann said:The local city college here in the Chicago area are some of the most affordable and high quality in the midwest area.
milesperhour said:not to mention how "affordable" college is!
Are you talking about community colleges or the universities? You can only get so far with an AA.
Ace Mann said:The local city college here in the Chicago area are some of the most affordable and high quality in the midwest area.
milesperhour said:not to mention how "affordable" college is!
So I guess what I'm hearing is there is no way we can ever make anything again in this country and retail is the answer to creating more jobs....
WAIT A MINUTE I JUST GOT AN IDEA....
I will start writing mortgages for 110% of property value and sell them to people that can barely make the payments, then I will bundle that and sell it all off....then I will take THAT money and invest in building 6 unit and larger condo's on land that used to have a single family home, Then I can write MORE loans for 110% value...This can go on forever... I'LL be a dillionair!!!
Any one want to invest in my idea?
Screw it, we should all go on welfar and ride more anyway....I'm bored with my own discussion
Right, because experience isn't worth anything. Oh, wait, I have an AA, and am making some pretty decent money (and just got a raise after 3 months.)
And then of course, there's my friend who didn't go beyond high school. What's he do? He manages about 70 web servers for major power tool companies.
But I guess none of this matters because "You can only get so far with an AA."
milesperhour said:Are you talking about community colleges or the universities? You can only get so far with an AA.
Ace Mann said:The local city college here in the Chicago area are some of the most affordable and high quality in the midwest area.
milesperhour said:not to mention how "affordable" college is!
Easy there, killer. The post was in regards to someone saying that everyone should go to college and get a real job, at which i noted college isn't exactly affordable for all. Someone then said there are great city colleges. For those who plan to get those "real jobs," they would eventually haven't to finish up the BA somewhere.
I'm not knocking those with an AA. Heck, I went to community college myself. I'm sure you can get some great jobs in certain lines of work with only an AA, but in general with an AA degree, you must finish the last two years at a university. My point was more that college is unaffordable and at some point that person with an AA will eventually have to pay high tuition costs to finish and get a BA and a "real" job.
Tank-Ridin' Ryan said:Right, because experience isn't worth anything. Oh, wait, I have an AA, and am making some pretty decent money (and just got a raise after 3 months.)
And then of course, there's my friend who didn't go beyond high school. What's he do? He manages about 70 web servers for major power tool companies.
But I guess none of this matters because "You can only get so far with an AA."
milesperhour said:Are you talking about community colleges or the universities? You can only get so far with an AA.
Ace Mann said:The local city college here in the Chicago area are some of the most affordable and high quality in the midwest area.
milesperhour said:not to mention how "affordable" college is!
I'm reasonably sure that I have a 'real job' and I have NO degree.
The idea that a BA or higher is required to make a decent living is not only stupid and elitist but one of the major reasons we are in a huge labor crunch when it comes to skilled trades; all of the smart and skilled people who should be out there making things work have been suckered into thinking an education is going to provide for them.
This is a fact.
milesperhour said:Easy there, killer. The post was in regards to someone saying that everyone should go to college and get a real job, at which i noted college isn't exactly affordable for all. Someone then said there are great city colleges. For those who plan to get those "real jobs," they would eventually haven't to finish up the BA somewhere.
I'm not knocking those with an AA. Heck, I went to community college myself. I'm sure you can get some great jobs in certain lines of work with only an AA, but in general with an AA degree, you must finish the last two years at a university. My point was more that college is unaffordable and at some point that person with an AA will eventually have to pay high tuition costs to finish and get a BA and a "real" job.
Tank-Ridin' Ryan said:Right, because experience isn't worth anything. Oh, wait, I have an AA, and am making some pretty decent money (and just got a raise after 3 months.)
And then of course, there's my friend who didn't go beyond high school. What's he do? He manages about 70 web servers for major power tool companies.
But I guess none of this matters because "You can only get so far with an AA."
milesperhour said:Are you talking about community colleges or the universities? You can only get so far with an AA.
Ace Mann said:The local city college here in the Chicago area are some of the most affordable and high quality in the midwest area.
milesperhour said:not to mention how "affordable" college is!
You know the adage about how much more money stays in the community when you buy from a local store rather than a chain store, right? Well, imagine the impact of buying from a local manufacturer rather than an oversea manufacturer.
You're bored with it because you want to simplify an complex issue to the degree that it fits your own narrow view of the subject and have been called out on your lack of knowledge.
to be honest with you the job future is going to be in the skilled trades but that is a whole other discussion and is going to require a lot of changes in or cultural views of what is, and is not, a 'good' job.
There may also be a time when large scale manufacturing is a viable enterprise in the US but it will take a lot of changes to not only our economic models but also out cultural models. Right now small scale and boutique manufacturing is where we need to look to in my opinion.
Rick norris said:
Okay, I got into this conversation a little late, but we manufacture locally in Chicago. Not downtown, but pretty darn close - just 5 miles SE in Lawndale. We make bike bags, so we manufacture in the cut-and-sew industry, probably one of the most labor intensive, least automated industries possible. So, it IS possible to manufacture in Chicago. While our prices may be higher than our competition that produces in China, it is on par with handbags of our level of quality and design intent. You know the adage about how much more money stays in the community when you buy from a local store rather than a chain store, right? Well, imagine the impact of buying from a local manufacturer rather than an oversea manufacturer. It's also pretty powerful to be able to bike down to our production facility in less than 30 minutes and meet with the people helping us bring our designs to life.
Furthermore, I completely agree with what Rick said earlier, that factories employ all sorts of people. Sure, some of the jobs are repetitive, but I've held white-collar jobs for 15 years and believe me all that email and paperwork is pretty repetitive too. Some people enjoy working with their hands instead of composing email all day and I find it incredibly arrogant to suggest they go to college to get a degree and a "real" job.
By the way, I just posted a video about a bike ride to where our products are made. You can check it out here.
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