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I can appreciate your curiosity but respectfully, why should I or anyone else for that matter justify to you or anyone else anything that we might want to bring into our homes?
mattbikes1 said:I am curious by some of the statements made so far. Does the anticipation of a home invasion justify the cost of a gun, gun license, gun training, ammunition, gun locker or barrel lock, and especially your gun being stolen when you are not at home, etc. Do guns ever solve problems? Do guns really make you safer? What are the odds that your home will be invaded when you are ready and waiting with your loaded firearm with which you are trained to use with anything but non-threatening targets? The argument that you need a gun in your home to be safe seems ridiculous to me. Please, all of you gun loving people, enlighten me. Who among us has been in a real life situation that entailed you sitting peacefully at home and you were suddenly invaded and had you had a gun handy, you would and could have effectively defended yourself. Just curious?
Do you need insurance on your car, even though you probably WONT get into an accident? but you MIGHT, right?
mattbikes1 said:I am curious by some of the statements made so far. Does the anticipation of a home invasion justify the cost of a gun, gun license, gun training, ammunition, gun locker or barrel lock, and especially your gun being stolen when you are not at home, etc. Do guns ever solve problems? Do guns really make you safer? What are the odds that your home will be invaded when you are ready and waiting with your loaded firearm with which you are trained to use with anything but non-threatening targets? The argument that you need a gun in your home to be safe seems ridiculous to me. Please, all of you gun loving people, enlighten me. Who among us has been in a real life situation that entailed you sitting peacefully at home and you were suddenly invaded and had you had a gun handy, you would and could have effectively defended yourself. Just curious?
Great points. I agree that the ban is absurd because it did not produce the intended result of making Chicago safer from gun crimes. I would like to see some stronger laws about bad driving and dangerous use of motor vehicles too.
I just can't understand how adding more guns to a population equals a safer one. More free? Maybe. But safer? I don't think so.
Maybe I have a differing view of why laws are passed. To make a society safer and less chaotic. Surely not the result that is always achieved but regardless, we are talking about guns and gun laws here. Why use obtuse analogies and comparisons?
Great points. I agree that the ban is absurd because it did not produce the intended result of making Chicago safer from gun crimes. I would like to see some stronger laws about bad driving and dangerous use of motor vehicles too.
I just can't understand how adding more guns to a population equals a safer one. More free? Maybe. But safer? I don't think so.
Maybe I have a differing view of why laws are passed. To make a society safer and less chaotic. Surely not the result that is always achieved but regardless, we are talking about guns and gun laws here. Why use obtuse analogies and comparisons?
I just can't understand how adding more guns to a population equals a safer one. More free? Maybe. But safer? I don't think so.
Actually more guns do make for a safer society. When Miami passed concealed carry muggings and other violent crime went down and the police discovered that muggers where staking out the international terminal at the airport because foreign tourists where sure to be unarmed and carrying something worth taking.
I hate to sound like I'm just blurting out talking points but as they say, 'guns don't kill people, people kill people.' they are speaking the truth.
mattbikes1 said:
I just can't understand how adding more guns to a population equals a safer one. More free? Maybe. But safer? I don't think so.
Can you explain that a little further, or provide a source reading material? I don't understand why muggers moving to target tourists is a win for anyone. Certainly not for Miami, if it gets a reputation like that. Tourism is a big part of their economy.
notoriousDUG said:Actually more guns do make for a safer society. When Miami passed concealed carry muggings and other violent crime went down and the police discovered that muggers where staking out the international terminal at the airport because foreign tourists where sure to be unarmed and carrying something worth taking.
I hate to sound like I'm just blurting out talking points but as they say, 'guns don't kill people, people kill people.' they are speaking the truth. mattbikes1 said:
I just can't understand how adding more guns to a population equals a safer one. More free? Maybe. But safer? I don't think so.
Heather,
Doug never said it was a win for anyone. It's simply that not knowing if someone is armed or not is a deterrent to would-be muggers. I doubt Doug was implying that tourists getting mugged instead of locals is a plus. heather stratton said:Can you explain that a little further, or provide a source reading material? I don't understand why muggers moving to target tourists is a win for anyone. Certainly not for Miami, if it gets a reputation like that. Tourism is a big part of their economy.
notoriousDUG said:Actually more guns do make for a safer society. When Miami passed concealed carry muggings and other violent crime went down and the police discovered that muggers where staking out the international terminal at the airport because foreign tourists where sure to be unarmed and carrying something worth taking.
I hate to sound like I'm just blurting out talking points but as they say, 'guns don't kill people, people kill people.' they are speaking the truth. mattbikes1 said:
I just can't understand how adding more guns to a population equals a safer one. More free? Maybe. But safer? I don't think so.
Oh no no no heather...no bueno...no bueno indeed. No major social issue is going to be resolved on the chainlink or anywhere else for that matter, all is open for debate. Who is going to protect us from ourselves, the government?...who is going to protect us from the government or foreign attack? Ok, so we are not about to go "red dawn" here, but it's the principle. No one is better than anyone...lest you be judged as well.
I know honey, I understand. I just got the 'bible beater, you are going to hell vibe on that' as far as the being better and casting judgment comment. I grew up being made to feel guilty and I don't look kindly on it as an adult. I understand it happens. Btw, are you heather form the tween ride?
heather stratton said:I edited my response because I realized that "I'm better than that" was a snotty and inappropriate thing to say.
Adriana said:Oh no no no heather...no bueno...no bueno indeed. No major social issue is going to be resolved on the chainlink or anywhere else for that matter, all is open for debate. Who is going to protect us from ourselves, the government?...who is going to protect us from the government or foreign attack? Ok, so we are not about to go "red dawn" here, but it's the principle. No one is better than anyone...lest you be judged as well.
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