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jillnerkowski said:jillnerkowski said:notoriousDUG said:well I like the hybrid idea, that uses all the rotary energy to charge up the batteries, the roof covered in solar panels, and some gas for a start. or esle hybrid bicycle that uses some electricty and some human crank, its better exercise, and it will go fast enough to compare to a moped, just not on the highway. or amybe one of thsoe air cars, mixed iwth soalr instead of gas, for hte 8 gallons of gas, and one tank of fule for every 90-1000 miles, it could use one tank of air, and solar/electric power, or one of those three wheel hybrid bikes, with 50 cc's of gas power, and fat tires.jillnerkowski said:S said:jillnerkowski said:
to s, there is no one perfect solution, anymore than there is no one perfect person, and yet, we are all perfect, perfectly who we are, short fat, in good shape, or nearly shapeless, we are perfect. who could paint a perfect rose without the black holes of a japanese beetle?
what car of today is perfect, or not perfect? does it get you where you're going? then it works perfectly for its purpose. yet what car of today is perfect if a bicylist riding behind the car, is fumigated, and oil not only pollutes, and causes war, but is running out?
wouldnt then an electric car that only drives 50 miles an hour be perfect if it not only gets you where you're going, but it doesn't add carbon dioxide to the atmosphere? no because even electricity comes from somewhere, and before we create a perfect vehicle we'll find something wrong with silicon, someone will get cancer and it will become expensive when it begins to run out. But then someone else will find a new material to generate solar electricity.
that's what life is! every cherry has a pit. but isnt that what a cherry is, a fruit with a pit? then its perfect.You're badly mistaken in regards to the amount of energy you can derive from a solar panel on a car. You get about 5 kWh/day from a square meter of flat solar panels angled correctly and in the sun. A car getting 33mpg in the city uses about 1kWh per mile. So if you leave your car out in the sun all day you'll be able to drive about a five miles. This is essentially useless.
thats why they make cars like that lighter, did you ever try to pick up a car, even one end from the bumper, then try when there's no motor in it. they don't actually need motors, they just need electronics to convert the electrical energy to rotary energy with magnets, and then maybe some brakes.
OK, so do you understand that the battery weight, currently, required to make an electric car with a viable range is well above the weight of your average gasoline engine no used to power an automobile? Plus you are going to need, depending on your method of drive, at least one large electric motor and these are also quite heavy. In order to have a range that makes it viable to use an electric car (if you have a 5 mile range why not ride your bike?) you are actually going to end up with a vehicle that weighs as much, or more, then it's petroleum powered equivalent.
And while we are finding out if you know *anything* about what you are trying to pretend to be an expert on are you aware that solar powered cars require batteries to store the power? Unless you are dealing with a very light vehicle designed for maximum panel surface area and minimal weight and rolling resistance operating under idea conditions you do not produce enough power via solar panel to power the vehicle so you operate at a power loss using the batteries to drive the unit and then recharge when it is stationary. If you leave for work early in the morning and return home after dark there is no way to recharge unless you plug in.
Once again you are trying to talk about stuff that you have no idea how it works; I service electric vehicles.
notorious dug, How many batteries do the cars have in them, and where are they located, what does the car have for a motor?
maybe a tiered roof possibilty with, five times the surface area- I guess solar is still in the works, although I have seen ones beyond the world solar races even on the market.
have you seen these solar cars ? just look at this one http://www.futurecars.com/futurecars/solar_cars1.html
maybe they will find a way to step up the electricity like they do in coils, in a miniature fashion, and add a miniature coil to each wire that carries the movement of electrons from one side of the chip to the other.
I'd like to encourage everyone to have a bit more respect for others' ideas. And accept the fact that NONE of us really have the answer to this very thorny problem. But we can discuss it civilly, as best we can...can't we?
Dug, you're being a jerk.
jillnerkowski said:
to s, there is no one perfect solution, anymore than there is no one perfect person, and yet, we are all perfect, perfectly who we are, short fat, in good shape, or nearly shapeless, we are perfect. who could paint a perfect rose without the black holes of a japanese beetle?
what car of today is perfect, or not perfect? does it get you where you're going? then it works perfectly for its purpose. yet what car of today is perfect if a bicylist riding behind the car, is fumigated, and oil not only pollutes, and causes war, but is running out?
wouldnt then an electric car that only drives 50 miles an hour be perfect if it not only gets you where you're going, but it doesn't add carbon dioxide to the atmosphere? no because even electricity comes from somewhere, and before we create a perfect vehicle we'll find something wrong with silicon, someone will get cancer and it will become expensive when it begins to run out. But then someone else will find a new material to generate solar electricity.
that's what life is! every cherry has a pit. but isnt that what a cherry is, a fruit with a pit? then its perfect.You're badly mistaken in regards to the amount of energy you can derive from a solar panel on a car. You get about 5 kWh/day from a square meter of flat solar panels angled correctly and in the sun. A car getting 33mpg in the city uses about 1kWh per mile. So if you leave your car out in the sun all day you'll be able to drive about a five miles. This is essentially useless.
It happens sometimes.
Kelvin Mulcky said:Dug, you're being a jerk.
Think of it as an "intervention."
notoriousDUG said:It happens sometimes.
Kelvin Mulcky said:Dug, you're being a jerk.
Michael Perz said:You must be one of the Big Oil operatives that have been working to conceal the truth about this thread. I'm on to you.
Kelvin Mulcky said:Mods: please sink this thread and put it out of it's misery.
well it's close, Im not quite there for impossible energy machines yet, Im still working on getting across town on my bike canopy in the wind, faster than I could possibly pedal, by forcing all of the wind from every direction into forward motion of my bike canopy. Im working on a new design now, that will eliminate the sides, at least until I come up with a new framing structure for them, and have just a front , and overhead coverage, so that all the wind, goes into the canopy pushing forward, and giving me a free lift and cheap thrills, while at the same time keeping me dry, but it won't be as warm.
Kelvin Mulcky said:
Mods: please sink this thread and put it out of it's misery.
what.
he.
said.
jillerkowski - please leave here and go back to where you came from.
please.
you are barking up the wrong tree and bringing out the worst in me.
you are stubborn, arrogant, obnoxious, stupid, immature, irrational and relentless.
should I continue ? I really don't want to, but can.
I ask you one more time - go. away.
no one here wants to take this damn "provoceteur bait".
you are so dangerous with a few random statistics.
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