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Nearly every morning, I witness 40-foot trucks driving on the Lake Front Trail. The trucks take up the entire width of the path, and knock over tree branches onto unsuspecting joggers and bikers. They are creating a dangerous situation by funneling two way running/biking traffic into the narrow shoulder, while blocking view of the oncoming lane. I should also note that the trucks are moving, and not just parked on the trail. How are they even getting access to the trail, and who is continuing to allow this to happen?

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Better solution-- do away with all restaurants and concession stands on the Lakefront Path.

Cameron 7.5 mi said:

Thousands of people use the lake front everyday, for a space that small to serve that many people stuff has to come in and out daily . If you want concession stands and restaurants to be stocked, garbage cans emptied, grass mowed and other maintenance done, then all of those vehicles have to get to the lake front somehow. It makes sense to do all that in the morning before things get really busy.



Adam Herstein (5.5 mi) said:

There are plenty of Park District pickup trucks and industrial-strength lawnmowers every morning as well. Why are trucks banned from Lake Shore Drive, but allowed on the adjacent bike path?

Yes, but it's been a week or so, so I'm going only on the photo. Isn't the concrete apron at the same level as the asphalt path? It looks like it in the photo. Also, I do recall (wait, here is is: http://letsgorideabike.com/2013/07/lakefront/ - see photo with CFD Marhal's car and Park Service Explorer) seeing a photo with vehicles on the apron.

S said:

Have you been on the LFT by there?  There's no ramp that would allow a truck to get on that apron or follow anywhere near the restaurant at Oak St Beach.

David P. said:

There is one hell of a big concrete apron there that service vehicles can drive on for most of that distance without blocking the entire path.

Yes.  Of course.  Because YOU don't like it, even though 10's of thousands of Chicago resident's do, we should get rid of it.    Great idea.    Wanna guess who's near the top of the list of "better solutions" for many drivers....   

h' 1.0 said:

Better solution-- do away with all restaurants and concession stands on the Lakefront Path.

Cameron 7.5 mi said:

Thousands of people use the lake front everyday, for a space that small to serve that many people stuff has to come in and out daily . If you want concession stands and restaurants to be stocked, garbage cans emptied, grass mowed and other maintenance done, then all of those vehicles have to get to the lake front somehow. It makes sense to do all that in the morning before things get really busy.



Adam Herstein (5.5 mi) said:

There are plenty of Park District pickup trucks and industrial-strength lawnmowers every morning as well. Why are trucks banned from Lake Shore Drive, but allowed on the adjacent bike path?

Let me guess.  You rid in Critical Masss.

1.   They don't put "grossly intolerable wear" on the paths.  The number and frequency is sufficiently small that this is not a real concern.  

2.  Assuming, for a minute, that they were willing to deliver by Handtruck, are you willing to deal with all of the angry park district patrons having to deal with a significantly more expensive product.  And, of course, this is an impractical suggestion.  Perhaps we should require all bicycles at night to be led by a person waving a red lantern.  

But hey, if triggering a backlash against bicyclist's makes you feel good, go right ahead.  After all, feeling good is more important than being effective.

Coexist.

I want my lakefront path dearly.

I also want my Bud Light at the concessions dearly.

I believe the lakefront is multi-purpose.

There is a ramp but it's quite a bit away from the south end of the apron.  In any case, the apron ends well away from the cafe with a good stretch of sand in between, as such I doubt having a truck use the apron to get to the cafe is a feasible option.

Adam Herstein (5.5 mi) said:

There is a ramp between the North Ave and Oak beaches. I've seen the ramp, plus once I saw a few trailers down on the apron, so I know vehicles of that size can utilize the ramp.

S said:

Have you been on the LFT by there?  There's no ramp that would allow a truck to get on that apron or follow anywhere near the restaurant at Oak St Beach.

David P. said:

There is one hell of a big concrete apron there that service vehicles can drive on for most of that distance without blocking the entire path.

Whereas if they drive by the cafe, they can turn on the apron and unload off the path.

S said:

There is a ramp but it's quite a bit away from the south end of the apron.  In any case, the apron ends well away from the cafe with a good stretch of sand in between, as such I doubt having a truck use the apron to get to the cafe is a feasible option.

Adam Herstein (5.5 mi) said:

There is a ramp between the North Ave and Oak beaches. I've seen the ramp, plus once I saw a few trailers down on the apron, so I know vehicles of that size can utilize the ramp.

S said:

Have you been on the LFT by there?  There's no ramp that would allow a truck to get on that apron or follow anywhere near the restaurant at Oak St Beach.

David P. said:

There is one hell of a big concrete apron there that service vehicles can drive on for most of that distance without blocking the entire path.

Posts claiming that alternative delivery methods are illegal are only relevant if driving a semi down the path is somehow authorized by municipal orinance. Otherwise, the current delivery method also is illegal (albeit protected by clout). There is a path under LSD not far from the restaurant. Not sure why a delivery driver's convenience should take precedence over safety and convenience of other path users. This is coming from a former delivery driver who rarely bikes on that part of the path.

Has there ever actually been a collision involving a truck and a cyclist on the path?  Somehow I think other cyclists pose a greater danger than a large predictably moving truck...

Maurice said:

Posts claiming that alternative delivery methods are illegal are only relevant if driving a semi down the path is somehow authorized by municipal orinance. Otherwise, the current delivery method also is illegal (albeit protected by clout). There is a path under LSD not far from the restaurant. Not sure why a delivery driver's convenience should take precedence over safety and convenience of other path users. This is coming from a former delivery driver who rarely bikes on that part of the path.

Helicopters?  Really?  And where exactly would they land?
 
Adam Herstein (5.5 mi) said:

Cargo bikes, helicopters, giant push-carts, I don't care. It's not our problem how they restock, and they shouldn't burden the public – who has a right to the trail – with their private business needs.

Duppie 13.5185km said:

How else will they restock that restaurant?

Sarcasm detector broken? :-)

Tank-Ridin' Ryan said:

Helicopters?  Really?  And where exactly would they land?
 
Adam Herstein (5.5 mi) said:

Cargo bikes, helicopters, giant push-carts, I don't care. It's not our problem how they restock, and they shouldn't burden the public – who has a right to the trail – with their private business needs.

Duppie 13.5185km said:

How else will they restock that restaurant?

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