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To the "cyclist" who knocked my friend off her Divvy bike on the lakefront path.

She has a very large cuts on her face, her legs, she might have a concussion. Her nice dress and boots are ruined. She was shaken up pretty bad but she's determined to keep riding her bike dispite how nasty you were and blamed her.

And the first thing she said to you was "Are you okay?"

 

You make me embarrased to be a cyclist.

 

I know exactly who you are, burning ass down the trail like you own it. Agressively passing with a sense of entitlement. Too smug to bother to call out "on your left." I used to be just like you until I realized that the lake front path is not the place to train for a triathalon.

 

Slow the hell down and be nice to people!

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I'd like more details before we decide to blame somebody just for being on a road bike...

I don't think he's blaming EVERY road bike rider, and it seems like the most likely scenario that the other cyclist is to blame. 

In my opinion, if you want to have a fast ride the lakefront path between Roosevelt and Addison is not the place for it after 10 am.  I've seen MANY riders (on various kinds of bikes) trying to go 20-25 on the path and causing, refusing to slow down to pass, riding into oncoming cyclists and so forth.  I'd equate that behavior to driving 60 down Damen. 

I'm sorry your friend got so banged up. 

notoriousDUG said:

I'd like more details before we decide to blame somebody just for being on a road bike...

Going fast does not automatically equal an accident. What happened that caused the two to collide? It's be interesting to hear the other side of the story.

I'm sorry that happened to your friend.  It shouldn't happen to anyone.  Did you get any information from the (ir)responsible rider?  If your friend needs a little help, try the Crash Support Hotline.

It would be interesting to get the whole story. But the other cyclist fled the scene. In my opinion the details are irrelevant to this post. I know what my friend said, and I know what I've seen on the path. I don't feel the least bit confused about my assesment of the situation. Is it possible my friend make mistakes? Oh yeah. Did she deserve to be disrespected like that?

 

 

 

We don't know what your friend said though and the details are relevant considering you're out to call some unknown cyclist out as being an asshole.

I have been taken out by other cyclists before and had a couple of near misses on the paths and in my experience just because somebody is going faster or overtaking somebody it does not mean they are the ones at fault.  

Did your friend make an unexpected turn or randomly decide not to hold their line without checking behind them?  What have you heard from them and seen on the path that make you sure, when you step back from the bias of them being your friend, that makes you able to positively say it was the other riders fault 100%?

Your friend could be fault free and that other rider could be an asshole but it is just as likely that your friend did something stupid and was the asshole as well.  People going faster than average have a responsibility to pass safely but those who go slower than average have a responsibility to stay right and check their six before making large movements.

If your friend made a un-signaled turn without shoulder checking or made a swerve more than a couple of feet over without checking over her shoulder then she may have deserved being disrespected.  2 years ago some hippie with headphones in swerved WAY off his line to go around a pot hole while I was overtaking him on Milwaukee and It hink I was totally in the right to give him an earful.


Paul O said:

It would be interesting to get the whole story. But the other cyclist fled the scene. In my opinion the details are irrelevant to this post. I know what my friend said, and I know what I've seen on the path. I don't feel the least bit confused about my assesment of the situation. Is it possible my friend make mistakes? Oh yeah. Did she deserve to be disrespected like that?

 

 

 

And if I did offer details would you be in a position to refute them?

Nope, I wasn't there.

However, they could, if they are honest, show that it's not all the fault of the other cyclist...

Paul O said:

And if I did offer details would you be in a position to refute them?



notoriousDUG said:

I have been taken out by other cyclists before and had a couple of near misses on the paths and in my experience just because somebody is going faster or overtaking somebody it does not mean they are the ones at fault. 

In my experience (no accidents, but a few close calls) on the LFT, the close calls happen when I go by a slower cyclist or jogger, and some Lakefront Lance passes me at the same time. Such calls can be doubly close if there someone is approaching from the other direction at about the same time. I can understand that the overtaking cyclist might not be able to see who is in front of me, but lack of vision means they should slow down a bit.

I'd like more details before we decide to blame somebody just for being on a road bike a hippy...

Also why are you getting so hot headed defending an unknown person for being a jerk.  By just bolting they're definitely being a jerk, that much we can establish. 


notoriousDUG said:

If your friend made a un-signaled turn without shoulder checking or made a swerve more than a couple of feet over without checking over her shoulder then she may have deserved being disrespected.  2 years ago some hippie with headphones in swerved WAY off his line to go around a pot hole while I was overtaking him on Milwaukee and It hink I was totally in the right to give him an earful.


Paul O said:

It would be interesting to get the whole story. But the other cyclist fled the scene. In my opinion the details are irrelevant to this post. I know what my friend said, and I know what I've seen on the path. I don't feel the least bit confused about my assesment of the situation. Is it possible my friend make mistakes? Oh yeah. Did she deserve to be disrespected like that?

 

 

 

Or, as it happened to me again this last Sunday, when I was running on the LFT: yet another moron passed within a couple of inches of me, even though I was keeping the very edge of the pavement, and there were no runners or cyclists approaching on the opposite side of the trail. That schmuck had plenty of room. Of course, there was no warning. And he was not a "lycranaut."

Actually, the last two times I heard "on your left" addressed to me both were from spandex-clad cyclists, and they both were not even speeding. "Last two times" meaning in the last two months. Easy to remember, so rarely it occurs.

Skip Montanaro 12mi said:

In my experience (no accidents, but a few close calls) on the LFT, the close calls happen when I go by a slower cyclist or jogger, and some Lakefront Lance passes me at the same time. Such calls can be doubly close if there someone is approaching from the other direction at about the same time. I can understand that the overtaking cyclist might not be able to see who is in front of me, but lack of vision means they should slow down a bit.

My read on this one is that Dug is trying to douse this discussion with spit and vinegar while trying to do other things at the same time, and not quite realizing that he's not making sense.



Liz said:

I'd like more details before we decide to blame somebody just for being on a road bike a hippy...

Also why are you getting so hot headed defending an unknown person for being a jerk.  By just bolting they're definitely being a jerk, that much we can establish. 


notoriousDUG said:

If your friend made a un-signaled turn without shoulder checking or made a swerve more than a couple of feet over without checking over her shoulder then she may have deserved being disrespected.  2 years ago some hippie with headphones in swerved WAY off his line to go around a pot hole while I was overtaking him on Milwaukee and It hink I was totally in the right to give him an earful.


Paul O said:

It would be interesting to get the whole story. But the other cyclist fled the scene. In my opinion the details are irrelevant to this post. I know what my friend said, and I know what I've seen on the path. I don't feel the least bit confused about my assesment of the situation. Is it possible my friend make mistakes? Oh yeah. Did she deserve to be disrespected like that?

 

 

 

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