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yet another useless article that brings out all the trolls on the comment boards......

Um.... what?

Tim said:

yet another useless article that brings out all the trolls on the comment boards......

look at the comments on that article. 

Yes, there are some idiot comments, but that's always the case in the comments section of the Newspaper articles.  Some of them make good points about cyclists needing to follow the rules...

Tim said:

look at the comments on that article. 

Actually look at it as a percentage. I see a higher percentage of cyclists that disobey traffic laws then drivers.

I'm a cyclists and it ticks me off when I'm cycling and stopped at a red light and have someone else just blow right through knowing the lights going to change in less than a minute.

Drivers get the impression nearly every cyclist is skirting the law. I constantly see people riding the wrong way in the bicycle lane on Milwaukee. I saw one nearly get hit by someone turning right off a side street. I would have sided with the driver there.

Yesterday, I saw a cyclist cut off a lady on a side street. This cyclist was going the wrong way down a one-way street.

How can you expect drivers to respect cyclists when these are the crazy stupid things I have seen in the last couple of days alone.


Jeff Schneider said:

One claimed that drivers adhere to the rules of the road much better than cyclists.  Uh, I drive about 40 miles every day in the city/suburbs for my work, and that's not what I see.  Speeding, failing to stop for pedestrians, failing to stop before making a right turn on red, passing in intersections - these behaviors are the norm, not the exception.  A lot of people, whether in cars or on bikes, don't give a crap about the other people on the road.

Tom Z said:

Yes, there are some idiot comments, but that's always the case in the comments section of the Newspaper articles.  Some of them make good points about cyclists needing to follow the rules...

Tim said:

look at the comments on that article. 

I sometimes feel like drivers are extra careful around me because they've been around reckless cyclists and know they don't follow the rules. For example, I'd say 90% of the time motorists flag me to go on a stop even though I'm yielding to them because they were there first. It's sort of like when you see a drunk driver swerving all over the road: you may not respect him, but you'll probably give him plenty of space. Not that I condone disobeying the rules of the road but in a way I see those who don't as a mixed blessing.

I'd agree with this for suburban riding. People in the 'burbs don't treat cyclists well.

Jeff Schneider said:

As for percentages, I'd say only about 30% of the drivers I see every day are courteous and competent.  I usually don't see any bikes (I'm driving mostly in suburbs), so I can't really compare percentages.

A super-majority of drivers in the Chicago area (and probably elsewhere) routinely disobey traffic laws. Driving 56+ in a 55 MPH zone is disobeying. Driving 31 in a 30 is disobeying. Failing to come to a complete stop at every single stop sign is disobeying. Changing lanes or turning without activating your turn signal sufficiently early is disobeying. Etc.

Stop at any red light on Milwaukee Ave and watch for how many cyclists also do so.

It will be a minority.  At least that's what I've seen every time I've counted.

Now, how many cars blow through that red light?

I should have edited the above to add:  red-light-running cyclists are obviously not nearly as dangerous in terms of kinetic energy as red-light-running auto drivers, by an order of magnitude probably.   However I would say they are a 'super-majority' of cyclists, at least on some routes, and there is obviously danger, not only from potential collision but from behaving unpredictably and therefore confusing other traffic, pedestrians, etc. 

Driving (or cycling) at 31 mph in a 30mph zone is by the barest margin technically breaking the law, but probably no more dangerous.   That's a ridiculous straw man.

+1 I would also like to thank Divvy riders new to city riding AMEN!

Tom Dworzanski said:

I sometimes feel like drivers are extra careful around me because they've been around reckless cyclists and know they don't follow the rules. For example, I'd say 90% of the time motorists flag me to go on a stop even though I'm yielding to them because they were there first. It's sort of like when you see a drunk driver swerving all over the road: you may not respect him, but you'll probably give him plenty of space. Not that I condone disobeying the rules of the road but in a way I see those who don't as a mixed blessing.

It's not a straw man. It's a direct response to the rather silly claim that "a higher percentage of cyclists [] disobey traffic laws th[a]n drivers." Both groups generally disobey traffic laws, and most violations are not dangerous. The relevant goal should be to increase safety, not to increase technical compliance.

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