Hopefully you've heard by now that CDOT will begin construction this week on the city's first protected bike lane: Kinzie Street from Milwaukee Avenue/Desplaines Street to Wells Street.
Full story on Steven Can Plan.
I want to know what you think about this.
Cycle track and protected bike lane naysayers, this isn't the post for you. But if you've ridden in protected bike lanes before, then I welcome your constructive comments and criticism based on your actual experiences.
The new beginning. Looking southeast at the intersection of Kinzie/Milwaukee/Desplaines.
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These types of moves really irritate and baffle me as to who exactly thought this type of thing is a good idea.
There are all types of engineers out there. Rocket science, structural, electrical... But road engineers are pretty much the bottom of the barrel. Roads hardly ever fall down (except for bridges but a different class of engineer actually designs those when the Roadway engineer just specs how many lanes they want.)
Then there are the guys who design and make the traffic signs. Those people are often barely literate. I wonder if it is done by some sort of special halfway house work program...
Steven Vance said:
CDOT created a "belly bulge" (I call them road binges) at the new Halsted Street bridge over the North Branch Canal, that's under construction.
Halsted north and south of the bridge is and will remain 1 main lane in each direction, and 1 bike lane in each direction. ON THE BRIDGE, though, there will be 2 main lanes in each direction, and 1 bike lane each direction. Thanks for that, right?
These types of moves really irritate and baffle me as to who exactly thought this type of thing is a good idea.
There are all types of engineers out there. Rocket science, structural, electrical... But road engineers are pretty much the bottom of the barrel. Roads hardly ever fall down (except for bridges but a different class of engineer actually designs those when the Roadway engineer just specs how many lanes they want.)
Then there are the guys who design and make the traffic signs. Those people are often barely literate. I wonder if it is done by some sort of special halfway house work program...
Steven Vance said:CDOT created a "belly bulge" (I call them road binges) at the new Halsted Street bridge over the North Branch Canal, that's under construction.
Halsted north and south of the bridge is and will remain 1 main lane in each direction, and 1 bike lane in each direction. ON THE BRIDGE, though, there will be 2 main lanes in each direction, and 1 bike lane each direction. Thanks for that, right?
Time for a road diet to slim down the whole passage to 2-lanes. It'll make it safer for us bikers and ultimately make traffic flow better in the long run.
Win/Win for everyone.
But I doubt that getting it done will be easy or that what happens in the end will be such a simple solution.
Cameron Puetz said:
The worst is the one two punch on most east/west routes on the northwest side of the belly bulge built under the Kennedy followed almost immediately by the pinch point created by the Union Pacific viaduct.
And they've created a real mess on Chicago Ave. during construction. Going over the Chicago Ave. bridge was always nerve-wracking, now with two eastbound car lanes leaving no room for bikes, it really makes me nervous every time I cross. The only alternative is Elston to Division, and the Division bridge is even scarier.
I like your idea of opening the sidewalks to bike traffic, that would have been a low-cost way to solve the problem, and there's very little pedestrian traffic there that would have been affected.
It all just seems so typical of CDOT. There's a push at the top for bike infrastructure, and there's some money coming in for big projects like the bridge, but the people in charge of the day to day implementation of this stuff just seem completely clueless about bike traffic. I suppose that's natural, since middle management there probably consists of a lot of people who came up in the 80s when nobody thought about bike commuting, but geez, can't they go to school or something and learn modern traffic techniques?
Steven Vance said:
CDOT created a "belly bulge" (I call them road binges) at the new Halsted Street bridge over the North Branch Canal, that's under construction.
I think you overestimate the ability of traffic engineer to influence the project design.
I recently talked to a traffic engineer who was involved in the Lawrence Ave streetscape redesign. I asked her why cycle tracks were not included in the design. She was pretty blunt in stating that they were ordered from higher up (CDOT leadership or even higher) not to consider cycle tracks in the design, regardless of whether they would fit.
This was a clearly a political decision, not a design decision.
Which makes me wonder whether, given the new leadership in this city, the Halsted street bridge design could still be influenced, as far as lane striping goes.
These types of moves really irritate and baffle me as to who exactly thought this type of thing is a good idea.
There are all types of engineers out there. Rocket science, structural, electrical... But road engineers are pretty much the bottom of the barrel. Roads hardly ever fall down (except for bridges but a different class of engineer actually designs those when the Roadway engineer just specs how many lanes they want.)
Good point.
There could be a buffered or protected bike lane given all of that width on the Halsted Street bridge (over North Branch Canal).
Duppie said:
Which makes me wonder whether, given the new leadership in this city, the Halsted street bridge design could still be influenced, as far as lane striping goes.
I take the sidewalk on some bridges and underpasses if I feel the road is unsafe. My life, my choice.
... don't forget the third punch where those arteries are crossing the Chicago River. Why anyone ever thought that streets like Diversey or Belmont should grow an extra lane in each direction for 1/4 of a mile is beyond me - it just invites traffic to jockey for position when there is the inevitable merge at the next street, and of course cyclists aren't factored into this equation.
Closely related to this is the more endemic problem of motorists using the so-called "rush hour lanes" (pure fantasy, IMO) as extra lanes of traffic. Sorry drivers, and I am one as well, but a no parking designation doesn't equate to a lane for you to drive in unless said lane has been clearly demarcated.
Cameron Puetz said:
The worst is the one two punch on most east/west routes on the northwest side of the belly bulge built under the Kennedy followed almost immediately by the pinch point created by the Union Pacific viaduct.
James Baum said:In my opinion these belly bulges are some of the the most dangerous areas to ride a bike in this city right behind the pinch-points like bridges and under/overpasses where there isn't enough room even for the existing traffic lanes and no extra space (protected or not) for us who chose to ride human-powered two wheeled transportation and don't want to end up as a ghost bike.
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