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Wow. This many words and so much enthusiasm for putting a black man back into jail.
I mean, I'm happy for you that you have your bike back, but I wish that was the happy occasion, and not that you put someone back into the prison complex.
Wow. This many words and so much enthusiasm for putting a black man back into jail.
I mean, I'm happy for you that you have your bike back, but I wish that was the happy occasion, and not that you put someone back into the prison complex.
Yeah, this story does have a slight aftertaste of bummer. I definitely have
respect for Phil's bold actions to get the bike back and I'm glad the story has
a happy ending for him, and that there's one less bike thief on the streets.
On the other hand, it's hard not to feel a little sorry for the guy who's going
back to jail. Nobody forced him to steal bikes for money, but we really have
no idea what this guy's background is and how he found himself in this position.
It's possible he's dealing with addiction, mental illness and other issues most
of us don't have experience with. I'm guessing he was dealt a less-than-stellar
hand in life. Why would anyone choose to become a 40-year-old man snipping
bike cables for cash?
Perhaps a viewing of the film "Bicycle Thieves," where the well-intentioned
protagonist who needs a bike to get to work has his bike stolen, and in turn
attempts to steal a bike so he can feed his family, might put this case in
perspective.
John Greenfield
Marion said:Wow. This many words and so much enthusiasm for putting a black man back into jail.
I mean, I'm happy for you that you have your bike back, but I wish that was the happy occasion, and not that you put someone back into the prison complex.
I refuse to feel sorry for any thief. Jail is too good for them. I almost wish we used the sharia law method of dealing with thievery. First offense they take a hand. Second offense they take the other hand. Third offense is the head.
And the movie is called Bicycle Thief. It's a good movie and shows the social damage JUST ONE theft can do. Theivery should never be coddled. It should be dealt with harshly. Simple theft does so much damage to people who suffer from poverty. Using poverty as an excuse for theft is backward thinking in my opinion. It's the poor who suffer THE MOST from theft as they can't just go out and buy the item they had stolen again. They have to do without. Property is an extension of your Freedom as it takes WORK to accumulate money with which to buy Property. Stealing someone's property is tantamount to stealing that part of their life that they had to dedicate to earning that money to purchase said property. So stealing from someone is the same as turning them into your slave -forcing them to work and stealing the results of that work. How is that NOT slavery?
No, I don't feel sorry for slavers -or thieves, which I see as the same thing morally.
John Greenfield said:Yeah, this story does have a slight aftertaste of bummer. I definitely have
respect for Phil's bold actions to get the bike back and I'm glad the story has
a happy ending for him, and that there's one less bike thief on the streets.
On the other hand, it's hard not to feel a little sorry for the guy who's going
back to jail. Nobody forced him to steal bikes for money, but we really have
no idea what this guy's background is and how he found himself in this position.
It's possible he's dealing with addiction, mental illness and other issues most
of us don't have experience with. I'm guessing he was dealt a less-than-stellar
hand in life. Why would anyone choose to become a 40-year-old man snipping
bike cables for cash?
Perhaps a viewing of the film "Bicycle Thieves," where the well-intentioned
protagonist who needs a bike to get to work has his bike stolen, and in turn
attempts to steal a bike so he can feed his family, might put this case in
perspective.
John Greenfield
Marion said:Wow. This many words and so much enthusiasm for putting a black man back into jail.
I mean, I'm happy for you that you have your bike back, but I wish that was the happy occasion, and not that you put someone back into the prison complex.
I refuse to feel sorry for any thief. Jail is too good for them. I almost wish we used the sharia law method of dealing with thievery. First offense they take a hand. Second offense they take the other hand. Third offense is the head.
And the movie is called Bicycle Thief. It's a good movie and shows the social damage JUST ONE theft can do. Theivery should never be coddled. It should be dealt with harshly. Simple theft does so much damage to people who suffer from poverty. Using poverty as an excuse for theft is backward thinking in my opinion. It's the poor who suffer THE MOST from theft as they can't just go out and buy the item they had stolen again. They have to do without. Property is an extension of your Freedom as it takes WORK to accumulate money with which to buy Property. Stealing someone's property is tantamount to stealing that part of their life that they had to dedicate to earning that money to purchase said property. So stealing from someone is the same as turning them into your slave -forcing them to work and stealing the results of that work. How is that NOT slavery?
No, I don't feel sorry for slavers -or thieves, which I see as the same thing morally.
John Greenfield said:Yeah, this story does have a slight aftertaste of bummer. I definitely have
respect for Phil's bold actions to get the bike back and I'm glad the story has
a happy ending for him, and that there's one less bike thief on the streets.
On the other hand, it's hard not to feel a little sorry for the guy who's going
back to jail. Nobody forced him to steal bikes for money, but we really have
no idea what this guy's background is and how he found himself in this position.
It's possible he's dealing with addiction, mental illness and other issues most
of us don't have experience with. I'm guessing he was dealt a less-than-stellar
hand in life. Why would anyone choose to become a 40-year-old man snipping
bike cables for cash?
Perhaps a viewing of the film "Bicycle Thieves," where the well-intentioned
protagonist who needs a bike to get to work has his bike stolen, and in turn
attempts to steal a bike so he can feed his family, might put this case in
perspective.
John Greenfield
Marion said:Wow. This many words and so much enthusiasm for putting a black man back into jail.
I mean, I'm happy for you that you have your bike back, but I wish that was the happy occasion, and not that you put someone back into the prison complex.
James,
The original Italian title of the film is "Ladri di Biciclette" or "Bicycle Thieves," although it is often mistranslated as "The Bicycle Thief":
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0040522/
The plural was used because the title refers to two thieves:
the one who stole the protagonist's bike, and the protagonist himself,
after his desperation drives him to attempt a bike theft.
Never try to out-snob a snob. ; )
John Greenfield
So, I was thinking about this, and started wondering what the thief actually used to cut the cables, and if that tool was sighted at all, or if there was none apparent, what may have happened to it . . .
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