Did the cyclist do right thing to revenge?

for me no not on the mirror but maybe kick the tire ha

http://youtu.be/ESo0Ig9fJ3A

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Permalink Reply by Adam "Cezar" Jenkins on February 20, 2012 at 7:16pm

Watched someone do this to a taxi who decided he wanted to use the bike lane a few years ago on Milwaukee. I'm still not sure if it was the "right" thing to do.

Permalink Reply by Anne Alt on February 21, 2012 at 3:38am

+1

notoriousDUG said:

Escalation is always a horrible idea just on general principal but I want you to ponder this for just one second...

You rip a mirror off a car, do some other real damage, or do something physical to a person you are, in all reality, giving them justification, and possibly a reason in their own head, to act aggressively towards the next cyclist they encounter.  The nutbag that forces you off the road in a blind rage over nothing could be doing it because the last cyclist he saw kicked a dent in his car. 

Stop thinking about just yourself and start thinking about the entire community and how your actions make it look.

your duncle said:

What's wrong a little street justice once in awhile?  My therapist says I shouldn't bottle things up.   Plus, it's not like that 3 foot passing law is enforceable at all.  

Permalink Reply by Gene Tenner on February 21, 2012 at 4:25am

The way to get drivers to give us more respect is not to sucker-punch their mirrors. The more drivers you treat with respect, the more that will treat you with respect.

Permalink Reply by Michael J Blane on February 21, 2012 at 7:20am

Sometimes revenge is a verb.


revenge |riˈvenj|

noun

the action of inflicting hurt or harm on someone for an injury or wrong suffered at their hands: other spurned wives have taken public revenge on their husbands.

• the desire to inflict such retribution: it was difficult not to be overwhelmed with feelings of hate and revenge.

• (in sports) the defeat of a person or team by whom one was beaten in a previous encounter: the Yankees wanted to get their revenge for losing to the Dodgers in the 1955 Series.

verb [ with obj. ] chiefly literary

inflict hurt or harm on someone for an injury or wrong done to (someone else): it's a pity he chose that way to revenge his sister.

• inflict hurt or harm on someone for (an injury or wrong done to oneself or another): her brother was slain, and she revenged his death.

• (revenge oneself or be revenged) inflict hurt or harm on someone for an injury or wrong done to oneself: I'll be revenged on the whole pack of you.



notoriousDUG said:

I am pretty sure 'revenge' is not a verb...

Permalink Reply by Derek on February 21, 2012 at 7:29am

Small world.  

Just had a guy cut me off last Friday evening while heading east down Grand in the bike lane.  It such a blatant hurry up to pass the cyclist and then cut over with no directional and stop in the bike lane that I slapped the side mirror on my way past (normally I'll just scowl).  When I stopped at the next red light I noticed the car was behind me revving it's engine, kinda doing a brake torque, lifting up the front end and each time getting closer and closer to me.  I turn around and shrug my shoulders giving my best, "wtf buddy?".  At this point the guy turns around and grabbed a tire iron from the back seat (yes I was pretty surprised he had a tire iron ready to go).  I signaled for him to roll down the window and yelled, "I was just looking for a ^&*(in directional!"... but the urge to pull out my lock and crack it over his window mighty tempting.

Permalink Reply by David on February 21, 2012 at 8:55am

I think "revenge" as a transitive/reflexive verb is pretty common.   "The cyclist shall revenge himself upon the driver" may be a bit overdramatic, but I think it's a pretty normal phrase for native speakers.  And as a normal transitive verb, "revenge" sounds okay to me also, it brings to mind Hamlet's ghost's "Revenge his foul and unnatural murder".   OK, I guess that's pretty dramatic as well. 

"Revenge" as an intransitive verb is, to my ears, much more archaic.  It just sounds wrong to me. 


Jeff Schneider said:

I've always heard/read/used "avenge" as the verb.

Michael J Blane said:

Sometimes revenge is a verb.


Permalink Reply by Gene Tenner on February 21, 2012 at 9:14am

Follow me if I advance! Kill me if I retreat! Revenge me if I die!
Ngo Dinh Diem

If you prick us do we not bleed? If you tickle us do we not laugh? If you poison us do we not die? And if you wrong us shall we not revenge?
William Shakespeare

It would be flattering to call it a modern Dirty Harry, but I think this film deals more with the loss of his wife than the traditional revenge vigilante films.
Vin Diesel

Men are more prone to revenge injuries than to requite kindness.
Thomas Fuller

To be angry is to revenge the faults of others on ourselves.
Alexander Pope

Violence is almost an everyday occurrence in some Muslim lands: it should not be exacerbated by revenge attacks on more innocent families and communities.
Cat Stevens

Virtuous people often revenge themselves for the constraints to which they submit by the boredom which they inspire.
Confucius



David said:

I think "revenge" as a transitive/reflexive verb is pretty common.   "The cyclist shall revenge himself upon the driver" may be a bit overdramatic, but I think it's a pretty normal phrase for native speakers.  And as a normal transitive verb, "revenge" sounds okay to me also, it brings to mind Hamlet's ghost's "Revenge his foul and unnatural murder".   OK, I guess that's pretty dramatic as well. 

"Revenge" as an intransitive verb is, to my ears, much more archaic.  It just sounds wrong to me. 


Jeff Schneider said:

I've always heard/read/used "avenge" as the verb.

Michael J Blane said:

Sometimes revenge is a verb.


Permalink Reply by Gene Tenner on February 21, 2012 at 9:39am

"Whoever has the Americans as allies does not need enemies."
Madame Nhu following the assassination of her husband and her brother-in-law.

A human power. But nobody understood, so they said a lot of things. But for years and years, the death of my husband — I could accept it, but debasing of his personality, that I cannot bear. But now revenge is coming. The revenge is coming that all those who have attacked him who have said all those things when the truth will be known about what he has found. And what is re, really his madness? All those people will be ashamed. Will be ashamed. They would like to swallow all they have said because it will show how fools they were not to have understood that man...That hour is coming.
Madame Nhu



Jeff Schneider said:

I think a Ngo Dinh Diem quote trumps any other argument (except perhaps a quote from Madame Nhu).  This thread should probably be closed...

Gene Tenner said:

Follow me if I advance! Kill me if I retreat! Revenge me if I die!
Ngo Dinh Diem

If you prick us do we not bleed? If you tickle us do we not laugh? If you poison us do we not die? And if you wrong us shall we not revenge?
William Shakespeare

It would be flattering to call it a modern Dirty Harry, but I think this film deals more with the loss of his wife than the traditional revenge vigilante films.
Vin Diesel

Men are more prone to revenge injuries than to requite kindness.
Thomas Fuller

To be angry is to revenge the faults of others on ourselves.
Alexander Pope

Violence is almost an everyday occurrence in some Muslim lands: it should not be exacerbated by revenge attacks on more innocent families and communities.
Cat Stevens

Virtuous people often revenge themselves for the constraints to which they submit by the boredom which they inspire.
Confucius



David said:

I think "revenge" as a transitive/reflexive verb is pretty common.   "The cyclist shall revenge himself upon the driver" may be a bit overdramatic, but I think it's a pretty normal phrase for native speakers.  And as a normal transitive verb, "revenge" sounds okay to me also, it brings to mind Hamlet's ghost's "Revenge his foul and unnatural murder".   OK, I guess that's pretty dramatic as well. 

"Revenge" as an intransitive verb is, to my ears, much more archaic.  It just sounds wrong to me. 


Jeff Schneider said:

I've always heard/read/used "avenge" as the verb.

Michael J Blane said:

Sometimes revenge is a verb.


Permalink Reply by David on February 21, 2012 at 10:27am

Exactly.  As I said, "revenge" as a transitive or reflective verb is pretty common.  All but the Shakespeare example below use revenge as a transitive verb (or noun).

It was precisely this MoV quote and a few others from Shakespeare that came to mind when I tried to think of intransitive examples, but I really couldn't think of anything newer and a quick google search didn't pull anything up either.   So labeling it as archaic seems right to me.



Gene Tenner said:

Follow me if I advance! Kill me if I retreat! Revenge me if I die!
Ngo Dinh Diem

If you prick us do we not bleed? If you tickle us do we not laugh? If you poison us do we not die? And if you wrong us shall we not revenge?
William Shakespeare

It would be flattering to call it a modern Dirty Harry, but I think this film deals more with the loss of his wife than the traditional revenge vigilante films.
Vin Diesel

Men are more prone to revenge injuries than to requite kindness.
Thomas Fuller

To be angry is to revenge the faults of others on ourselves.
Alexander Pope

Violence is almost an everyday occurrence in some Muslim lands: it should not be exacerbated by revenge attacks on more innocent families and communities.
Cat Stevens

Virtuous people often revenge themselves for the constraints to which they submit by the boredom which they inspire.
Confucius

Permalink Reply by Doug Haynes on February 21, 2012 at 7:39pm

Why does it matter what happened before?

What could have happened before the cyclist knocked the mirror off that would have justified it?

Brendan said:

I have to say, that looked fun.  The smashing part, not the being threatened by a motor vehicle part.  But was it right?  Well, do we know what happened before this clip starts?  I mean, that is the question, innit?

That's all I got... except for another quote to add to all the others:

"You can wear a cowboy hat to make fun of people who wear cowboy hats, but in the end you just come off looking like a guy wearing a cowboy hat."

Peace and chain grease,

Brendan


Permalink Reply by Ride it like you stole it on February 21, 2012 at 9:22pm

To me, what happens before matters cause it tells the story, vs. a soundbite or clip.

Anything could have happened.. For all we know the cyclist may have started something earlier in the clip and the drivers action was a reaction. Editing can be a bitch sometimes. Can anyone translate/decipher the silent words that were spoken? I certainly can't.

All we can do is speculate until we KNOW. Am I wrong?

notoriousDUG said:

Why does it matter what happened before?

What could have happened before the cyclist knocked the mirror off that would have justified it?

Brendan said:

I have to say, that looked fun.  The smashing part, not the being threatened by a motor vehicle part.  But was it right?  Well, do we know what happened before this clip starts?  I mean, that is the question, innit?

That's all I got... except for another quote to add to all the others:

"You can wear a cowboy hat to make fun of people who wear cowboy hats, but in the end you just come off looking like a guy wearing a cowboy hat."

Peace and chain grease,

Brendan


Permalink Reply by Zoetrope on February 21, 2012 at 10:19pm

I watched the video again and I think it's pretty clear the cyclist was fed up with the unpredictable and aggressive way in which the mirror-less weaver was driving.  I see and experience the same too often, actually.  Though, I've yet to claim any mirrors as trophies, and hope I never will.    

Was smashing the idiots mirror the 'right' thing to do?  I'ma let ya'll argue about that.  Was it awesome to see an idiot driver get his mirror smashed, even if he didn't do similar damage to the cyclist's bike?  Hell yeah.  The dude was asking for it by driving like a complete ass-hat.  I'm sure the cyclist got away with it, too, which is extra awesome.

People having a hard time grasping how awesome this clip is are either trolls (see: Dug) or only ride on forest preserve paths.  Yo, it gets crazy out there.  Protect yourself, trust your instincts, and don't take no shit.  And then when things are going good, try being nice.  Woo hooo

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