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Actually, the most effective change would be for humans to become extinct.
H3N3 said:Not sure why you need to discount the effect of choosing not to drive-- it's the single most effective change most of us can make. The argument that you have to either reduce your ecological footprint to zero or not even bother is childish and depressing.
Not sure why you need to discount the effect of choosing not to drive-- it's the single most effective change most of us can make. The argument that you have to either reduce your ecological footprint to zero or not even bother is childish and depressing.
JKH said:It is impossible to live in our society without having a negative environmental impact and it's not enough to say I don't drive. What are you actually doing to decrease pollution? My point is that running away from the physical world isn't helping at all. Things need to move, be built, be grown and best way to help is to figure out how to do it better.
Of course we all are responsible for the current mess and we should do what we can and part of that should be boycotting BP
Can you show me where anyone has expressed this "concept" in this thread?
The concept that you can not being doing good for the world if you drive a car or use petrol to do your job is close-minded, elitist and in the end more damaging to the cause as a whole because it turns off people who are not as dedicated as you are.
I was in a crappy mood and having a bad day during my previous posts, sorry.
Overall, though, there are different messages that need to get out at different times to different audiences in the course of trying to create social change, and if you happen to party to a message that's meant for a different audience I think it would be healthier to acknowledge as much and move on.
I've been at this for 10 years and I can't even remember a small percentage of the times I've gotten the "the time is not right" or "that message turns people off" response to the message that we need to move away from the personal automobile as our dominant mode of travel.
Like anyone's going to get back in touch with me and let me know when the time is right . . .
I still don't get the desk job/elistism thing, sorry-- it sounds like you're expressing a bitter disdain of anyone who is left-leaning and has quit car ownership, but I still can't figure out exaxtly why.
Well, it is better not to drive a car, all else being equal. All else isn't equal for lots of people, and they should drive cars.
For what it's worth I think there's a lot of zealotry of the newly converted in these conversations. My parents raised a whole family pretty much car free and vegetarian and they manage not to harangue people about these topics in every other conversation they have, even as they do try to get people to think about their lifestyle choices. As these things go the guy who's most hardcore about insisting everyone in a car is a murderer is the one most likely to end up tooling around Wilmette in a Ford Navigator, so whatever.
At this point in my life I only have a work vehicle and no personal car so I am part way there...
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