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And as I said before, "I eat meat because it tastes good" is a weak argument IMO. In light of all the evidence of what the costs of a meat rich diet are to the planet, it's health and ultimately and literally our own health as a species, that's basically the same argument as saying "I have sex with underage girls in brothels in Thailand because it is physically pleasurable."
You can't just focus on changing individual minds. You have to change the system: the built environment, institutions of various sorts, economic power relations, etc.
People didn't come out of the womb addicted to SUV's and single-family homes. They were trained after years of conditioning.
Deciding whether or not to eat meat has some political value. But it's not going to change the world. To do that, to make all food production sustainable and make the entire US bikable, we're going to need to talk about social movements.
Essential reading for anyone convinced that we have to make radical changes to avert eco-catastrophes in the near future: http://www.ecologyandsocialism.org/
He's kind of right though.
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Tank-Ridin' Ryan said:Wow.
Jason said:And as I said before, "I eat meat because it tastes good" is a weak argument IMO. In light of all the evidence of what the costs of a meat rich diet are to the planet, it's health and ultimately and literally our own health as a species, that's basically the same argument as saying "I have sex with underage girls in brothels in Thailand because it is physically pleasurable."
i lost count of straw men... be cool to have a find engine (ctrl-f) and type in "{fallacy}" on a page.
though not especially proud of certain characteristics, i am:
1. willful/stubborn
2. ignorant
3. denial of many things
but at least i can work my way up from there.
if you or anyone you know are none of the above, i am glad for you -- you know everything... and i would idolize you if i didn't have #3 on my list.
i love the french foie gras rep that said "ittes not cruel, ittes deliscious" -Magnifique
I'm not like Jason. I don't give a shit what anyone eats or how they live their life. I don't want more government regulation. Government is corrupt and full of shit. Some people recycle because they think it will save the environment.... well good for them?
Groups like PETA and even Critical Mass just piss people off more than covert them to their cause. I think it's hilariously fucking retarded how there's so much division and arrogance within these fringe groups. I want legalization of marijuana and all illegal narcotics. I want the gun ban to be lifted in Chicago. Yeah that's the kind of vegan I am.
Hey Minh,
What's up with the profanity. Can't get your point across without it?
Minh Nguyen said:I'm not like Jason. I don't give a shit what anyone eats or how they live their life. I don't want more government regulation. Government is corrupt and full of shit. Some people recycle because they think it will save the environment.... well good for them?
Groups like PETA and even Critical Mass just piss people off more than covert them to their cause. I think it's hilariously fucking retarded how there's so much division and arrogance within these fringe groups. I want legalization of marijuana and all illegal narcotics. I want the gun ban to be lifted in Chicago. Yeah that's the kind of vegan I am.
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