Anyone heard about the campaign below or seen this sign?

Website is - http://www.dontchangebarringtonhills.com/

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Can't say I'd want to spend any time on that site either.

h' 1.0 said:

If I was being sentenced for something and given a choice between visiting that site a certain number of hours or jail time. I'd take jail time.

James BlackHeron said:

You will just have to fill in the gaps in his monologue by reading beaglezog's place for the other half of it. 

Wait, are Barrington and Barrington Hills opposites? I'm riding the B2B Honor Ride in " Barrington" this August. Should I be wary of Bucolic Characters?

Just mapped Barrington Hills and hit the bicycling option for transportation in the area and they are literally a circular void.  

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.1572142,-88.208301,11z/data=!5m1!1e3

I read about 1/2 the responses here and while some are humorous, I will agree with those that say those that don't live out there don't really have a say.  I have ridden out in BH and I have seen those rogue scofflaw groups BUT I don't ride out there often (not this season at least) because of the roads and some of the driver's hostility.

As much as I like to see cycling infrastructure increase, it seems the local BH government is overstepping it's boundaries and going after people's property.  I know I wouldn't be excited to have a right-of-way plastered down my gangway (I rent so it is technically a moot point) but I don't see massive amounts of cyclists using the BH roads as a means of transportation for livelihood outside of recreation and exercise.  One might argue exercise as being needed for livelihood but that is another discussion.

I am going to side with the residents of BH, and I would support the local PDs ticketing of cyclists who cannot follow the rules out there.  A few groups I ride with that go through some other northern burbs will kick you from a ride for intentionally disobeying a single file ride OR traffic laws.

Not really, I mean, they have 5-acre zoning. That tends to keep the sprawl down.



Julie Hochstadter said:

Totally.

Nick G said:

I'm laughing at the "free of suburban sprawl" thing.  Barrington Hills IS suburban sprawl!

h' 1.0 said:

Our mission is to protect the rural, equestrian, and bucolic character of Barrington Hills, free of traffic and suburban sprawl.

Two separate towns. Barrington is the town. BH is a huge area without a central business district of any kind. Just houses on 5-acres.

Jose A. Terrazas said:

Wait, are Barrington and Barrington Hills opposites? I'm riding the B2B Honor Ride in " Barrington" this August. Should I be wary of Bucolic Characters?

I gotta say, in that picture below...it looks like the folks who own that land along the road are doing such a good job of using it for something other than keeping their distance from a road which they need.  It'd be a darn shame for eminent domain to be used for public roadways to damage such a worth while use of land.  Where else would they be able to park their Bobcats?

I also am loving the "don't make the road wider, keep it a quiet country road for OUR CARS only, not a quiet country road that is the exact type that attracts cyclists eager to escape death...we want idyllic, but not TOO idyllic" argument.

Reboot Oxnard said:

Who owns the road in the image below? This is Haegers Bend Road in Barrington Hills and the answer is that it is private property. The property that the bobcat is sitting on actually extends all the way to the middle of the road. Indeed, the neighbors actually pay property taxes on the road. The plan involves rebuilding this road to handle more and heavier traffic, including adding 8 feet of width (including a bike lane) and converting the road to a major north/south artery.

Thank you, saw the post and was like " hold up, wait a minute..."

Tominator said:

Two separate towns. Barrington is the town. BH is a huge area without a central business district of any kind. Just houses on 5-acres.

Jose A. Terrazas said:

Wait, are Barrington and Barrington Hills opposites? I'm riding the B2B Honor Ride in " Barrington" this August. Should I be wary of Bucolic Characters?

You should really research the definitions of the phrases you're discussing before you start spouting off nonsense just to disagree with people.  Wikipedia defines suburban sprawl as such:

"Urban sprawl or suburban sprawl describes the expansion of human populations away from central urban areas into previously remote and rural areas, particularly resulting in low-density communities reliant upon heavy automobile usage."

Therefore, my previous statement stands, and actually you proved it further by noting the 5-acre zoning.  Barrington Hills is a suburb of Chicago, so by definition it is suburban sprawl, no matter how you look at it.  5-acre zoning anywhere would contribute to sprawl by its very existence.  If you're only allowed 1 single-family home every 5 acres, then the more people who move there, the more sprawling the area would become.

Tominator said:

Not really, I mean, they have 5-acre zoning. That tends to keep the sprawl down.



Julie Hochstadter said:

Totally.

Nick G said:

I'm laughing at the "free of suburban sprawl" thing.  Barrington Hills IS suburban sprawl!

h' 1.0 said:

Our mission is to protect the rural, equestrian, and bucolic character of Barrington Hills, free of traffic and suburban sprawl.

I just updated the title to include "Hills". Didn't realize it's a neighboring Village.

I just agree with what other said, I don't think the people of BH will give a hoot what someone with a 606 zip code says.  I partly agree with that notion, especially in the case that it seems they own that land they are wanting to pave over.  I honestly don't have an answer on how far something should be before it can't be said to no longer affect someone.  If they were to gate their community what say can I have?  I don't pay taxes out there or venture out very often so if they did something that they felt bettered their community, so be it.

I wouldn't expect someone from BH to wander in the Norwood Park East neighborhood where I live and demand they add more speed bumps or put up paid parking meters because it will regulate traffic speeds, increase revenue from the area, and make it safer (in their opinion) for the community.  

Living in Chicago means, IMO, that you have a direct say in things that happen in Chicago, like your 2 examples.  You do have a say, you're a Chicago resident, but unless you have property in BH it could be considered hard for a politician to justify listening to you since you aren't a constituent of his/her (or a voter, because lets be honest, this is Illinois still), or paying property taxes.

As a cyclist I'd love to see that area have increased cycling infrastructure, but not at the expense of the property owners out there.  If that was public land then I'd be all for the widening and cycling lanes, because my state taxes pay for that so I have as much "right" to it as they do.

Could they have worded their disagreement with the potential increase in road width?  Sure, I feel they lashed out an at easy stereotyped group citing incidents from a few bad apples.  If their PD took these issues more seriously and ticketed cyclist breaking the laws, then I am sure they wouldn't have the complaints they have (or brown stains on the lawn).

I probably should have phrased it as everyone has a say because you're free to say what you want, but what the politicians will listen to probably won't include people from Chicago.

h' 1.0 said:

How does this work exactly? You draw lines around an area and decide who can and can't pass through it and by what mode of travel? Every little feifdom decides separately what sort of infrastructure there will be, no potential for an area or regional plan with consistency from place to place?

I have no say in what happens 2 blocks from my home because there's a ward boundary in between?

Is it inappropriate for me to get involved in a campaign to shape the way Wrigley Field is developed because I don't live on the corner of Wilton and Waveland?

Also... odd framing of Barrington Hills as being single-mindedly against this project.  No single BH resident actually wants bike lanes? Not a one?

 


 
Chitown_Mike said:

I read about 1/2 the responses here and while some are humorous, I will agree with those that say those that don't live out there don't really have a say.

Not to worry, the B2B Ride does not touch Barrington Hills. It goes through Barrington, Lake Barrington and North Barrington. Friendlier areas. Less horse hockey on the side of the road.

Jose A. Terrazas said:

Wait, are Barrington and Barrington Hills opposites? I'm riding the B2B Honor Ride in " Barrington" this August. Should I be wary of Bucolic Characters?

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