...."Why isn't daley sucking up to Schwinn to build a factory, do we need more stores to sell cheap crap?"

OK I was on another discussion and I'm wondering...

 

Is any one else bothered by the big deal made about wallmart coming to Chicago, when what we really need is GOOD long term jobs here....

 

Why isn't daley trying to bring back at least SOME manufacturing here? I mean with so many people unemployed the cost of labour MUST be down, I know Schwinn is nothing more than a name BUT there must be some companies that would be willing to try, also since the price of land is down....How about SRAM? they are headquartered here.

 

So are we just a bunch of blind sheep that want our kids to play with lead painted toys from China because they are a buck? Or is anyone willing to pay more to have a non lead painted toy?

 

Isn't there a big drywall company with offices here in Chicago ? Why did China drywall show up in the south east with mystery stuff in it that MAY be toxic ?

 

I just think it's time for a real change

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Permalink Reply by Duppie on August 11, 2010 at 4:30pm
Apparently it is already in use. A lot of the prep work for the Transformers 3 shoot was done at the Ryerson plant.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0608734/news

H3N3 said:
Let me know if you need anything eyeballed from time to time-- I pass through there very frequently. Not sure how I feel about it though-- I guess Ryerson can't hang on forever under current circumstances but I hate to see manufacturing leave in favor of more "service" jobs.
I wonder if the filming of an "Extreme Makeover Home Edition" at 16th and Washtenaw a few years ago piqued the initial interest in the location?
Permalink Reply by milesperhour on August 11, 2010 at 4:39pm
good to hear!
Permalink Reply by Doug Haynes on August 11, 2010 at 11:17pm
Ryerson closing that facility is set in stone and has been for some time.

Ryerson is less a manufacture and more a provider of raw material and there is simply not enough demand in the area.
Permalink Reply by Rick norris on August 12, 2010 at 4:17am
Yeah I said I didn't understand ALL the issues involved with this....I have worked in large scale plants, althought 20+ years ago, I find your #'s a bit exagerated....My last manufacturing job was for a company that did custom machining and built machines for other companies...MORE of the people there where skilled than unskilled, and the unskilled people still got paid more (after a little bit of time on the job) than most retail positions.

Yeah I know it's not true in every place.

notoriousDUG said:
against my better judgment (I'm bored and out of town in a hotel...) I'm reading this thread and wonder if you have any familiarity with the type of job a large scale manufacturing plant provides.

Most of the jobs in a factory are low paying unskilled labor centered on repetitive tasks or material handling with a small minority of trades people maintaining the plant. Actual ratio varies depending on the specific process and facility but I have seen places that have 2-3 skilled trades people supporting 50-75 unskilled laborers who make next to nothing.

Rick norris said:
Why not try to attract manufacturing (generally good paying trade jobs)
Permalink Reply by Duppie on August 12, 2010 at 4:26am
That is not my experience.

I work for a large company that still makes all the stuff they sell in this country. Our starting pay for labor is upwards of 15$/hour + good benefits, depending on region. Try to get that in retail.

And no, we are not a union shop

notoriousDUG said:
against my better judgment (I'm bored and out of town in a hotel...) I'm reading this thread and wonder if you have any familiarity with the type of job a large scale manufacturing plant provides.
Most of the jobs in a factory are low paying unskilled labor centered on repetitive tasks or material handling with a small minority of trades people maintaining the plant. Actual ratio varies depending on the specific process and facility but I have seen places that have 2-3 skilled trades people supporting 50-75 unskilled laborers who make next to nothing. Rick norris said:
Why not try to attract manufacturing (generally good paying trade jobs)
Permalink Reply by Rick norris on August 12, 2010 at 4:36am
Thats just a great answer....maybe we should kill off all the less educated people in this country....or let them just suck up welfare?

School isn't for everyone and we need a diverse economic base.

I'm sure any idiot can program CNC machines, or manually operate lath and mills and such to make the tooling that made the bike, and other things.

To say factory work is ALL unskilled is just wrong....manufacturing ( I think...but then again I aint got no learning past the 12th grade) needs and employs accountants, lawers, managers, IT people, along with skilled, and unskilled workers.


Vando said:
This is brilliant insight! Why didn't anyone think of this sooner...

ERCHLVRSN said:
Better suggestion go to college, get a career not just a job...none of the jobs you mention have any long term benefit other than cheap employment to unskilled people, we have to many of these types already, along with a large immigration problem…all you’re doing is making coming here legally more attractive to the unskilled who have little if anything at all to offer this country...
Permalink Reply by milesperhour on August 12, 2010 at 4:38am
not to mention how "affordable" college is!
Permalink Reply by Rick norris on August 12, 2010 at 4:59am
Sure it is, you just get Mommy and Daddy to pay....

Or just take out a bunch of loans....

Or doesn't the government give out grants and stuff....

I'm not knocking higher education, many people for many reasons, choose not to go, or sometimes can't go for reasons we can't all see. Don't say ANYONE can do it if they really want to, because no one knows another persons life.

milesperhour said:
not to mention how "affordable" college is!
Permalink Reply by Doug Haynes on August 12, 2010 at 6:26am
You are the exception to the norm.

Duppie said:
That is not my experience.

I work for a large company that still makes all the stuff they sell in this country. Our starting pay for labor is upwards of 15$/hour + good benefits, depending on region. Try to get that in retail.

And no, we are not a union shop

notoriousDUG said:
against my better judgment (I'm bored and out of town in a hotel...) I'm reading this thread and wonder if you have any familiarity with the type of job a large scale manufacturing plant provides.
Most of the jobs in a factory are low paying unskilled labor centered on repetitive tasks or material handling with a small minority of trades people maintaining the plant. Actual ratio varies depending on the specific process and facility but I have seen places that have 2-3 skilled trades people supporting 50-75 unskilled laborers who make next to nothing. Rick norris said:
Why not try to attract manufacturing (generally good paying trade jobs)
Permalink Reply by Doug Haynes on August 12, 2010 at 6:30am
Are you really bad at sarcasm or just not very well versed on how things work?

Honestly have you even seen the inside of a modern manufacturing plant, ever?

Running a manual mill or lathe is not only never really used in any kind of large scale manufacturing, and has not been for decades, but it is far, far more skilled work then programing a CNC machine.

Most actual work in a factory is automated these days with workers there to mostly feed material in and pull the product out plus a few to keep the machines working.

Rick norris said:

I'm sure any idiot can program CNC machines, or manually operate lath and mills and such to make the tooling that made the bike, and other things.

To say factory work is ALL unskilled is just wrong....manufacturing ( I think...but then again I aint got no learning past the 12th grade) needs and employs accountants, lawers, managers, IT people, along with skilled, and unskilled workers.
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Permalink Reply by Ace Mann on August 12, 2010 at 8:57am
The local city college here in the Chicago area are some of the most affordable and high quality in the midwest area.

milesperhour said:
not to mention how "affordable" college is!
Permalink Reply by milesperhour on August 12, 2010 at 9:53am
Are you talking about community colleges or the universities? You can only get so far with an AA.

Ace Mann said:
The local city college here in the Chicago area are some of the most affordable and high quality in the midwest area.

milesperhour said:
not to mention how "affordable" college is!

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