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Permalink Reply by Doug Haynes on April 12, 2011 at 5:00pm

1. How is this not spam.

 

2. Why do you think I am not able to feed myself?

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Permalink Reply by Daniel Mirzakhani on April 12, 2011 at 5:18pm

1. Define spam. I'm trying to include the Chainlink community on a new community project.

 

2. Email the collective and start the conversation. You may learn something.

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Permalink Reply by Dr. Doom on April 12, 2011 at 5:24pm

Incoherent gibberish linking to more incoherent gibberish that apparently has something to do with a few potheads ineffectually milling about on LaSalle Street is, definitionally, spam.

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Permalink Reply by Daniel Mirzakhani on April 12, 2011 at 5:36pm

Ok then...not sure how you landed on the group being potheads...but if anyone ELSE on here is open to new ideas, and to changing your life for the better, feel free to email the collective. We're here to help! Dr. Doom and notoriousDUG I'd appreciate it if you kept your negativity to yourself, thanks.

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Permalink Reply by Tank-Ridin' Ryan on April 12, 2011 at 6:52pm

Daniel,

 

You might find it more effective and productive to actually give people an idea of what The Phase is.  Dug and Doom are both right with going WTF?.  You give absolutely no inkling of what The Phase is about, so it comes off as total spam. 

 

You want to include the Chainlink community in whatever this is, then it would be a good idea to tell us what it is. 

 

Oh, and I've been able to feed myself since I was ummm...2?  I don't know.  Ask my parents. :)

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Permalink Reply by Daniel Mirzakhani on April 12, 2011 at 7:44pm

Well TRT, if anyone can ask me "What is The Phase?" without being cynical, sarcastic, insulting and/or a bit dickish, I would be happy to explain. However, that did not happen. But since you came the closest, I will answer it.

 

The Phase is a Chicago art collective aimed at helping and healing the perception of this city's understanding of what is "good for you," and what is "free." The first project we are focusing on is the perception Americans have about their food. Most people know that there is a serious problem in the relationship between Americans and their food, but we are helping people find the drive to dig just under the surface to realize that most of the food we consider "healthy," or "good" is still permeated with harmful chemicals, comes from animals that are also fed harmful chemicals and are criminally mistreated, is picked by what are esentially indentured servants, is grown from experimentally designed plants without allowing time to see what the side effects of such experimentation are, and comes from companies that are not concerned with any of the above, but only their profit margin.

 

If this is a concern to anybody else, I encourage you to follow the directions in the initial post, and see what resources The Phase has to offer you.

 

We thought The Chainlink would be a good place to advertise our project, because most of us are avid cyclists, and we thought this would be a welcoming, forward-thinking community that would take interest.

Tank-Ridin' Ryan said:

Daniel,

 

You might find it more effective and productive to actually give people an idea of what The Phase is.  Dug and Doom are both right with going WTF?.  You give absolutely no inkling of what The Phase is about, so it comes off as total spam. 

 

You want to include the Chainlink community in whatever this is, then it would be a good idea to tell us what it is. 

 

Oh, and I've been able to feed myself since I was ummm...2?  I don't know.  Ask my parents. :)

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Permalink Reply by Ed on April 13, 2011 at 12:22am

That's it for me....I'm giving up food.

 

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Permalink Reply by Doug Haynes on April 13, 2011 at 2:27am

Jesus, how is it people manage to get on the internet with zero idea of how to conduct themselves...

 

1. You are advertising your own personal interest, not related to cycling, on a message board where, at that time, your only posts were to sell your stuff or promote yourself; that is spam. 

 

2. The only easily accessible link in your post is to a Tumbler site full of random gibberish with no cohesive purpose or theme; how in the hell did you think anyone would understand that your goal is to help educate people about what is really in a lot of the food they buy?  I can't speak for others but I am sure as hell not sending my e-mail out to get 'info' based on a disjointed nonsensical post with a link to a Tumbler with even more nonsense.  Posting gibberish and refusing to clarify unless asked politely is a terrible way to get your message out.

 

3. If you cannot deal with 'negativity,' criticism and people questioning what you have to say you really should not be using the internet.  When you post stuff in an open forum like this there is a very high chance you are going to have people disagree with you and question you, this chance goes up even more if your posting makes no sense.  No one was being 'negative' about your project because no one knew what it was; what you are calling negativity is actually people calling you out for having terrible communication skills and not expressing what you project is really about.  Had you posted your response to Ryan as your first post you would probably have had a much better reception. 

 

Your inability to make your point and express yourself is not our problem.  Maybe if you, rather then try to get people to e-mail you, you created a site that clearly expressed your purpose and presented the information you want to get out there you would get a better response.  The way all of this reads is less like you want to get info out there and more like you want to build a mailing list to spread the gibberish that is on your Tumbler.  You are right that The Chainlink would be a good place to find people interested in your cause but you would probably have much more success with that if you made your cause clear in your postings.  Even in your clarification you don't really tell us what your group actually does; we get that you want to change the common, and unhealthy, perception of food that we have but you don't say how you plan to do it nor do you share any real info with us to change our perception of food.

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Permalink Reply by surrogatebrain on April 13, 2011 at 3:09am

What did the protest on Tuesday have to do with food issues?

What resources do you offer that will make my life better? Will you pay off all my student loans? Will you give me a job?

Can you tell me specifically what it is that I deserve that is better than what I have and how you will give me what I deserve?

How can I learn to feed myself? Do you have community/urban gardening experience and advice? If so, join the chainlink gardeners group. I've been gardening for years now, but can never figure out how to get the food I grow into my stomach.

What resources will you bring to my home? Are you distributing a CSA? And if CSA's bring freedom, you should probably focus on delivering your resources to Lybia.

What system are we going to change? I'm changing the composting system in my back yard because the old one wasn't working. I also need to change the oil in my car, so I guess I'll be changing my car's engine's lubrication system a little bit. And soon I'm going to change the gearing system on one of my bikes from fixed gear to geared and free wheel. Does any of this count?

 

I like CSAs, but growing your own food in a garden you built reduces your environmental impact even more. For anyone who genuinely doesn't know much about issues surrounding food production in this country and the world, I would recommend reading Fast Food Nation (now 10 years old!) and In Defense of Food for starters. Those books have more information in them than the tumbler website posted above. But I'm going to assume that you have already read those books.

 

And what's with the two black circles?

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Permalink Reply by Daniel Mirzakhani on April 13, 2011 at 3:23am

Ha, you people are incredible! I'm still waiting for someone to approach this issue without being sarcastic, cynical, insulting and dickish. I won't engage in frivolous online mud-slinging. If anyone would like to have a calm, rational discussion about this ad, I will respond to your post. Thanks!

 

And this is a free and open message board that is clearly marked "(NOT BIKE RELATED)"

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Permalink Reply by Jack on April 13, 2011 at 3:41am

I am not being sarcastic, cynical, insulting or dickish with this post, but I do not think the message was posted with enough clarity for people to avoid being leary of the message you are trying to get out. 

 

Is it about being more green in your every day choices?  Is it about eating healthier organic diets?  Is it about wasting and using less resources?  Is it a rally trying to change a governmental system or mandate?

 

I have no idea. I personally try to eat healthy, exercise, and enjoy life.  The best part about America is one's ability to live life as they choose.  There are plenty of options out there for people to "better themselves" in the eyes of others' opinions.  However, it is up to each person to take initiative to "better themselves".  You can not do it for them.  There are plenty of awareness programs and initiatives out there.  How many self help books, studies, television programs, and blogs need to be written about how to improve ones' life?  The information is out there, most just chose to not do it or get involve.

 

I am not saying what you are doing is a waste of time.  I just think the message as to what it is really about is the important part.  Vagueness lends to speculation.  Speculation leads to lower results. 

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Permalink Reply by Doug Haynes on April 13, 2011 at 3:44am

Please explain to me how my response is not calm and rational?  How is not discussing your project, it's goals or how it plans to achieve them helping you out here?  People have asked you direct questions to clarify your organization and  you are ignoring them, not a good way to gain converts...

 

Your right, this is a free and open message board which means that if you post stuff here you need to expect to get responses that may not be what you were looking for.  Instead of clarifying your statements and discussing it you are 'taking your toys and going home' because you don't like the reception you got, not very mature.

 

No one insulted you, we criticized you post and if you can't handle criticism you probably should not use the internet; same goes for cynicism and sarcasm...  You will have to forgive me for being cynical and sarcastic about stuff like this, I have seen more 'organizations' than I can count show up on 'the scene' with no clearly declared purpose, no plan and tons of disorganized rhetoric with big plans that never get off the ground and your post and tumbler look a lot like all of them did.  Maybe instead of getting all pissy over it you should really think about the fact that a group of people who would be likely to have an interest in your message are not getting what you want to convey and not down with your approach; the first step in making change is connecting with the people you want to help and it really does not look like you are doing a good job of that.

 

Oh, and by the way, if you want to get your message out there you should probably respond to e-mails at he address you posted by sending some actual info...

 

Just sayin'

Daniel Mirzakhani said:

Ha, you people are incredible! I'm still waiting for someone to approach this issue without being sarcastic, cynical, insulting and dickish. I won't engage in frivolous online mud-slinging. If anyone would like to have a calm, rational discussion about this ad, I will respond to your post. Thanks!

 

And this is a free and open message board that is clearly marked "(NOT BIKE RELATED)"

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