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Permalink Reply by Tank-Ridin' Ryan on July 30, 2010 at 3:08am

Thanks for posting this Brendan. Glad to hear it wasn't a fatality.

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Permalink Reply by Lisa yeah on July 30, 2010 at 3:38am

Yay! When I read that blog, at first I was seeing faces of various friends in the scene. Thanks for posting.

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Permalink Reply by Melanie K on July 30, 2010 at 3:40am

Thank you for the update. It is a relief to hear that no one was fatally injured that night and that it wasn't a hit and run. I am sad to read that this may have been the actual cyclist's careless behavior but at least she is alive.

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Permalink Reply by heather s on July 30, 2010 at 5:54am

Thanks to you and Active Trans for checking into this. The blogger who started this whole story doesn't seem very contrite about it-- here's what he tweeted when he found out what actually happened:

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Permalink Reply by Lisa yeah on July 30, 2010 at 7:10am

wow, now I'm convinced that it's one of my friends.

heather stratton said:

Thanks to you and Active Trans for checking into this. The blogger who started this whole story doesn't seem very contrite about it-- here's what he tweeted when he found out what actually happened:

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Permalink Reply by Amber K on July 30, 2010 at 7:50am

So from now on he's just going to walk on by anyone else that may need help, because he's going to think they are just drunk and passed out. Even if they are, they may still be in need of an ambulance. What a bunch of idiots!

here's what he tweeted when he found out what actually happened:

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Permalink Reply by heather s on July 30, 2010 at 8:04am

I don't know, it seems as though he feels that he did the right thing by calling 911. I mean, a person who is unconscious in the street, drunk or not, probably needs an ambulance.

What I love is the "WTF?!?!?!" as if the cyclist had deliberately duped him into believing that she was dead and therefore caused him to lose sleep. I have no doubt that it was a traumatic scene, but his reaction is pretty selfish.

Amber K said:

So from now on he's just going to walk on by anyone else that may need help, because he's going to think they are just drunk and passed out. Even if they are, they may still be in need of an ambulance. What a bunch of idiots!

here's what he tweeted when he found out what actually happened:

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Permalink Reply by Amber K on July 30, 2010 at 9:00am

Yeah he called 911, but I'm talking about the next time he will probably just walk on past w/o calling 911. It could really be someone that is dying. Definitely, quite selfish.

heather stratton said:

I don't know, it seems as though he feels that he did the right thing by calling 911. I mean, a person who is unconscious in the street, drunk or not, probably needs an ambulance.

What I love is the "WTF?!?!?!" as if the cyclist had deliberately duped him into believing that she was dead and therefore caused him to lose sleep. I have no doubt that it was a traumatic scene, but his reaction is pretty selfish.

Amber K said:

So from now on he's just going to walk on by anyone else that may need help, because he's going to think they are just drunk and passed out. Even if they are, they may still be in need of an ambulance. What a bunch of idiots!

here's what he tweeted when he found out what actually happened:

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Permalink Reply by Lee Diamond on July 31, 2010 at 4:05am

Clark,

If you are going to go sniffing around the internet for justification for your lack of humanity, consider better sources than Yahoo Answers. If you can't get quite that far, perhaps consider reading the quotes you are using. The entire argument that the individual, whomever they are, (not even entering the conversation of whether or not they are in any way a person whose opinion should be considered with any special gravity) is making is that you should not overwhelm the system with a false call.

Calling about an accident is not a false call. It is what human beings do at a minimum when they see trouble.

The more calls that the system receives when trouble is at hand, the better likelihood that the response will be adequate to the need. Calling 911 is just human kindness and social responsibility. Avoidance of those things is inhumanity.

What makes the author of this BLOG such a dumbass is not that he called 9-1-1, it's that he jumped to moronic conclusions that satisfied his existing feelings while spreading panic in a too-connected world.

Meanwhile, noone gives a crap about an innocent 13-year old kid that looked lilke another kid, who was ... in favor of endless re-blogging and forum posts about a death that didn't even happen.

Clark said:

I hesitate to add my 2¢ for fear of another flame war. But this is one example of a time when a good samaritan caused unnecessary confusion and concern, when they should have investigated further or simply walked on by. Chicago's 911 system and response teams are overloaded enough. And every 911 response ties up the system for a period, and costs Chicago taxpayers money, even if some charges are eventually billed out.

So rather than uselessly shouting out "Are you OK?" or making immediate calls to our overloaded 911 system, why not learn modern "hands-only" CPR and be prepared to render useful and immediate aid?

But if you're not convinced, here's some information about the Emergency Response System to consider before dialing 911:

...if you decide not to be transported to the hospital, then there would be no fee for that. However, if you were treated on scene, the EMS company may bill you for treatment received. [And there] are specific rules under which you cannot refuse a transport to the hospital. They include-but are not limited to-head injuries or other injuries that affect your mental status (you are not considered to be mentally coherent and not able to make medical decisions), any threat or attempt of suicide (you lose the right to refuse medical care), if you are under the age of legal consent (under the age of 18 unless you are married, emancipated or a parent yourself), or if you are taken into police custody and the police deem that you need medical treatment (such as a car accident involving a DUI).

...making false 911 calls is grounds for criminal charges. When a person does that, they are taking away the help from people with real injuries or illnesses who require assistance. The calls are traced and recorded....

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Permalink Reply by Doug Haynes on August 1, 2010 at 8:57am

I don't have the words to describe what an incredible fucking douche bag you are.

Are you really going to try and justify not helping people or not calling 911 when you think somebodies life may be in peril because of financial reasons?

I agree with everything Lee said as well.

People do care about the shooting of the 13 year old; it is just not getting discussed here because this is a bike forum; it's been a topic of discussion in my daily life for the last few days as the subject of violence in Chicago always is.

Clark said:

I hesitate to add my 2¢ for fear of another flame war. But this is one example of a time when a good samaritan caused unnecessary confusion and concern, when they should have investigated further or simply walked on by. Chicago's 911 system and response teams are overloaded enough. And every 911 response ties up the system for a period, and costs Chicago taxpayers money, even if some charges are eventually billed out.

So rather than uselessly shouting out "Are you OK?" or making immediate calls to our overloaded 911 system, why not learn modern "hands-only" CPR and be prepared to render useful and immediate aid?

But if you're not convinced, here's some information about the Emergency Response System to consider before dialing 911:

...if you decide not to be transported to the hospital, then there would be no fee for that. However, if you were treated on scene, the EMS company may bill you for treatment received. [And there] are specific rules under which you cannot refuse a transport to the hospital. They include-but are not limited to-head injuries or other injuries that affect your mental status (you are not considered to be mentally coherent and not able to make medical decisions), any threat or attempt of suicide (you lose the right to refuse medical care), if you are under the age of legal consent (under the age of 18 unless you are married, emancipated or a parent yourself), or if you are taken into police custody and the police deem that you need medical treatment (such as a car accident involving a DUI).

...making false 911 calls is grounds for criminal charges. When a person does that, they are taking away the help from people with real injuries or illnesses who require assistance. The calls are traced and recorded....

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Permalink Reply by Lee Diamond on August 1, 2010 at 11:24am

Yes, but he was biking which is why I linked to it and posted it here.

notoriousDUG said:

People do care about the shooting of the 13 year old; it is just not getting discussed here because this is a bike forum; it's been a topic of discussion in my daily life for the last few days as the subject of violence in Chicago always is.

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Permalink Reply by Lee Diamond on August 1, 2010 at 11:31am

You must be kidding right?

If you are going to post about people being wise to not help others they see in trouble, people are going to tell you what they think about that. Such an action, post and sentiment is in a word, inhuman. If you live up to a definition, you will be referred to by it. The fact that you do so in an unrelenting fashion is probably going to spur more of it.

Clark said:

Dug, Lee...I appreciate your attempts to respond to my post. I like my posts to be interesting, and provoke discussion. But I don't like these threads to be repeatedly CLOSED when you guys become insulting. I know you guys are just windbags...but you're scaring the newbies to the forum, who are reluctant to relate their good ideas. So why don't you just allow everyone to express themselves, without censure or personal attacks?

Allow me to point out Chainlink forum rules:

...First and most important rule: IF you can’t be polite, don’t say it. We recognize that many topics will be controversial and the nature of a discussion or online posting is that people will bring to it their own opinions, ideas and background. The general idea is that you can disagree with someone without being disagreeable....

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