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who own motor vehicles.

What I dislike about streetcleaning, like many other city services, is its guise.  Yes, it's a necessary service, especially for cyclists.  It's this very sweeping of debris that keeps us from getting more frequent flats.  It seems we get screwed more often though.  Well at least those of us who own motor vehicles, since we tend to drive less and often park on the street.

I have come to terms with the fact that streetcleaning is a means to acquire revenue for the city.  Yes they are doing a service, but they are also counting on motorists not moving their vehicles so that they can collect revenue.  If everyone moved their vehicles accordingly, I am sure the mayor would be fairly upset.  It's this opportunistic behavior I hate, yes hate!  Kind of like that guy in the earlier thread.  The one about the abandoned bike...you know he didn't want the owner to claim the bike, so he could take it as his own.   

So as I stare out my window and look at that bright orange ticket splattered on my windshield, I am upset.  So much so that I gave myself a headache.  Not at having to pay, but at having forgotten to move my car yet again.  I feel like the guy from memento, hopefully I wont get run down by a (insert mode of transportation here) as I am wandering on the (insert location here) aimlessly in a senile stupor one day.  rant over.   

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Do you think most drivers are horny for cars in the same way?

GabeW (not the other Gabe) said:
"People were trained to love cars by Federal subsidy (e.g. Federal Highway construction, FHA subsidized mortages to back suburbanization, etc.). People can be untrained and disabused of car addiction in the same way."

Trust me. The federal government had nothing to do with the erection I got the first time I heard a ferrari 250 GTO downshift into Canada Corner at Road America. I'm in love. Are you really going to tell me, on THIS forum, that love is a choice?
Adriana said:
I think most everything has been broached in this thread, many good points.

(to quote myself)

I posted an issue that affects people who bike, (especially those who commute) and own a vehicle. It's a catch 22, since it is the people who limit their car use that are affected the most. The majority of those who work business hours jump in their car and their car will not be parked Monday through Friday between 9 am and 3 pm.

I AM very bothered to move my car, I just completely forgot (Whole other issue)... Many useful solutions were offered and for that I am grateful. Outlawing public parking and eliminated cars not so much...maybe we should steal H.G. Wells machine and shoot Ford, or those other damned fools who instilled the idea... We are moving in the right direction and for that I am grateful.

So you gonna join the ranks of the car free? I'll throw you a big party.
People have been throwing around the idea of congestion charging in Chicago for a decade. One option is a downtown cordon line like in London. Everyone entering the Loop pays $X. The other options are time-dependent tolls on the expressways - you pay more at rush hour.

The problem with the Loop charge is that Chicago isn't London. It isn't Stockholm either. Nor is it Singapore. There is nothing special about the Loop. Downtown Stockholm is an island and central London has a much more unique cultural history keeping things there. If Chicago were to start charging to enter the Loop, many businesses would simply leave. The city is hesitant to give companies yet another reason to head to the 'burbs.

Increased rush hour tolls are much more practical here, but they aren't without problems either. The people with the least flexible work schedules tend to be the poorest, and therefore the most effected. It requires more infrastructure. And of course, it is political suicide.

tzizzle said:
You're spinning your wheels here, "Rick Norris".
road. The easiest way to do this is to have a car tax or "congestion tax".

London and other civilized cities are already doing it. Tax car usage heavily, on principled social/environemental/efficiency grounds, and encourage alternative transit by incentivizing that (i.e. make it run more smoothly, make it more affordable, etc.).
tzizzle....

"....Also- suburban drivers who come into the city do so as though it's their right to drive here. It's not: that is, it's not their right to cause increased deterioration to roads without bearing the cost. When a suburban driver, who does not pay property taxes in Chicago, contributes to the deterioration of our roads and does not pay for it, they are externalizing their cost of driving onto Chicagoans. That's parasitic....."

Well that has to be true for city folk that chose to go to a place in some far distant land....like Niles, or Melrose park. City folk travel back and forth also.

Also in England (isn't that where London is ?) thay have Value Added Tax, not sure how it works but I do know it adds to the cost of everything....you didn't answer the question ARE YOU WILLING TO PAY MORE?

By the answer "tax exempt for commercial buisness cars...."so some rich guy can take his limo in for a"buisness" dinner tax exmpt, you know our city leaders love their limos...Remeber the commercial of prince daley riding in his limo down a city street with no other cars on the road...seems to me there is a message in there somplace?

As far as traveling for work, IMO there are far more factory jobs in the near subburbs (THANKS DALEY for the taxes) that city people travel to, these are jobs that pay well that people with (generally) limited education can get and support themselfs with if we tax suburbanits to come here, then it's only fair they tax us for going there, and once again the people on the bottom will pay more out of their pocket than the people at the top...sorry but thanks to our great leaders public transportation sucks in this city...I could be wrong but I think it's a lot easier to take metro downtown from the burbs

I would LOVE to see car usage go down, more people riding a bike, or taking buses (I rememberr when I was a kid...a LOT more buses so it was easy) more taxes and legislation is not the answer education is, but the people in power would never go for us really understanding what their doing, so we can only do our best to educate ourslves.


SINCE IM ON A RANT>>>>>I'm going to start a new topic...."Why isn't daley sucking up to Schwinn to build a factory, do we need more stores to sell cheap crap?"
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