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There's no easy solution to any of this. I run reds and stops when there's no one there or when approaching traffic is a block away. I know I'm breaking the law by doing it, and I know that some motorists get annoyed by it (the ones sitting at the light)-- but I'm not going to sit there and wait out the light when there's no traffic. To me it's illogical (and inefficient).
Just my two cents.
Anyone have access to this training video for officers? I know I'd like to see it and what all is mentioned.
"The Police Department is using a new training video at roll call so officers can identify and enforce traffic violations that endanger cyclists."
burden said:h3 said:The current thread is about mistaking a collaborative educational outreach effort by two city agencies for a power-tripping revenue-suck and then ranting at "the man."
Come on, now. It's not like it was announced in advance or anything.
Ahem.. Aren't the ATA folks supposed to sign their names when they post under that profile?
Not that I care in this particular instance, I would just like to know who to thank for sending this..
Active Transportation Alliance said:Here you go, M.A.R.K:
http://chicagobikes.org/video/index.php?loadVideo=police_training_2009
M.A.R.K. said:Anyone have access to this training video for officers? I know I'd like to see it and what all is mentioned.
"The Police Department is using a new training video at roll call so officers can identify and enforce traffic violations that endanger cyclists." burden said:h3 said:The current thread is about mistaking a collaborative educational outreach effort by two city agencies for a power-tripping revenue-suck and then ranting at "the man."
Come on, now. It's not like it was announced in advance or anything.
No. I don't insist on different treatment because we are better or morally superior citizens, but because we are engaged in better or morally superior behavior. There is a huge difference.
As Dan M notes it will be tough sell. But it is not a ground breaking concept. What is the HOV lane? A special lane on a freeway reserved for those who are engaging in the morally superior act of car-pooling or riding a motorcycle. Do some drivers stuck in the regular schlub lanes resent it when a car-pool whizzes by in the HOV lane? Sure. This is the same resentment that lots of drivers feel when a bike sails through a red light that Dan M also mentions.
What about tax incentives for green home improvements or motor vehicles? Or the contrary, excise taxes loaded upon cigarettes? All of these are versions of the same concept.
Duppie said:So you demand different laws mainly on the fact that cyclists are somehow better, morally superior citizens? That's funny.
Tony,
Poorly enforced though they may be, we have our own HOV lanes called "bike lanes." They are special lanes that are reserved for us and our "morally superior behavior" and I'd say most of the time (about 98%), they are clear and unobstructed lanes just for us to use.
I break traffic laws here and there (a lot more than I should), but I certainly think that any dumb shit that happens because I'm doing that would be MY fault and if I got a ticket, I'd think to myself "nice move dumbass!" If we lived in a society where everyone got to decide if the moral value of their behavior required them to obey laws or not, we'd be in, oh wait, I guess we kind of are in that sort of world, and I know when I see some asshole in a car driving down the shoulder on the Kennedy in stopped traffic I don't assume it's because they are giving an underprivileged grandma a ride to the clinic, I think it's just because they are some kind of typical jerk who thinks they are more important than everyone else.
I ride about 6-ish days a week and drive my car about once a week for a consolidated grocery/errand running day and it's irritating as hell to sit in an endless line of cars because I'm used to whipping by them all day long and I'm instantly jealous of anyone I see on a bike while I'm stewing in traffic, so I can certainly empathize with drivers who find it a bit maddening to see bikers blasting through lights and stop signs. I think many of them should give it a try and maybe they'll find that it improves a lot of things in their daily lives, but I don't think we'll get anywhere by each deciding which traffic laws we should be following while expecting the endless sea of cars to follow all of them.
You have to change laws first, like the great statute in Iowa (Idaho), that was mentioned before, then do what the new law says. Alternately, you can break laws like many of us do each day and just take your medicine should it every come along and be administered.
Tony Adams said:No. I don't insist on different treatment because we are better or morally superior citizens, but because we are engaged in better or morally superior behavior. There is a huge difference.
As Dan M notes it will be tough sell. But it is not a ground breaking concept. What is the HOV lane? A special lane on a freeway reserved for those who are engaging in the morally superior act of car-pooling or riding a motorcycle. Do some drivers stuck in the regular schlub lanes resent it when a car-pool whizzes by in the HOV lane? Sure. This is the same resentment that lots of drivers feel when a bike sails through a red light that Dan M also mentions. What about tax incentives for green home improvements or motor vehicles? Or the contrary, excise taxes loaded upon cigarettes? All of these are versions of the same concept.
Duppie said:So you demand different laws mainly on the fact that cyclists are somehow better, morally superior citizens? That's funny.
If you're out driving or biking tonight, here's some advance warning about yielding to pedestrians:
http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/08/chicago-police-plan-even...
I'm sure this is mainly targeted to motorists, but the law says bikes should also yield to pedestrians at mid-block crosswalks.
Ethan, with Active Trans
What is the rationale behind alerting drivers to the exact intersection where they will be?
Active Transportation Alliance said:If you're out driving or biking tonight, here's some advance warning about yielding to pedestrians:
http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/08/chicago-police-plan-even... I'm sure this is mainly targeted to motorists, but the law says bikes should also yield to pedestrians at mid-block crosswalks.
Ethan, with Active Trans
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