So do we even have any form of moderation here?

So after the amazing shit show that was Gabe and Michelle crapping all over the message board here I think it is a good time to ask this question.

 

What happened here is ridiculous, two people were allowed to run wild like a couple of monkeys flinging shit everywhere.  Regardless of who you want to see as wrong or right there the fact remains that they were allowed to carry on completely unchecked.

 

Why?  Light moderation is one thing but why should two defective people be allowed to run wild like that?  Especially when others have been kicked off for doing the same?

 

Didn’t we kick off Beezodog for hijacking threads and not letting an argument die?

 

Of course that leads to another thing; we have some loose rules but they never seem to be enforced, why?



So what is it, do we have an enforce rules or can people just do whatever they like?  Because it mostly looks like people can just act however they want…

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Permalink Reply by XndeX on August 30, 2014 at 4:44am

This is the internet. Your going to have good and bad. 
You just have to know when to back away.
I don't post very often for that reason alone.
When the conversation starts getting negative I just back away from it and leave it alone.
Like Joshua said in Wargames, The only winning move is not to play!

Permalink Reply by Andrew Bedno on August 30, 2014 at 5:08am
I agreed with the Michelle's. The so lite as to be nonexistent moderation has created safe harbor for sadism. And frankly the any moderation is a slippery slope to fascism arguments sound like teahadists on Obamacare.
The actuality of moderation here is actively anti-nice. So be it.
In conclusion, hail Satan.
Permalink Reply by Far'arned Retrogrumpalunkus #63 on August 30, 2014 at 5:15am

A Billion time THIS!


Lee Diamond said:

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In general, as I have said before, I would normally advocate for allowing a conversation to happen as it does within the walls of the Chainlink.  You have been the beneficiary of this policy and attitude on multiple occasions and yet you are asking why we don't moderate better.  It is quite a funny proposition as I find myself making the argument to you that I often make for you.

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notoriousDUG said:

I think what I am trying to ask here more than anything is why do we bother having rules if they are either not enforced or not evenly enforced?

Permalink Reply by Haddon on August 30, 2014 at 11:56am

I, for one, find the quick-to-be-indignant and judgemental types to be the main reason I visit the site less and post less. I get the impression that notorious never had one word passed along to him to tone it down a bit, if this is correct than the current hands-off approach is probably a bit too hands off.

H

Permalink Reply by Kevin Mulcky on August 30, 2014 at 1:13pm

So what was the aftermath? Were both Michelle and Gabe banned?

Permalink Reply by Doug Haynes on August 30, 2014 at 1:23pm

Gabe, who sent her what she considered a threat and posted pictures of here has participated in this thread so it looks like there was nothing done there.

KevinM said:

So what was the aftermath? Were both Michelle and Gabe banned?

Permalink Reply by Kevin Mulcky on August 30, 2014 at 2:20pm

So, just for us keeping score at home, it would be great to some evidence of moderator's actions after shit storms like that crazy thread. Because, from what you can read in the thread, there's nothing, the thread gets closed, Vilda gets the last word, and I guess Michelle's presence(s) just vanish. 

From an outsider's perspective it smells a little like croneyism when people vouch for Gabe by saying stuff like "yeah, we all know he's a prick, so you should know better and not egg him on."  

Permalink Reply by Vilda on August 30, 2014 at 4:42pm

Douglas, if you are going to be apart of the discussion get the facts straight. The fool known as michelle was sent a cartoon by someone else who has since apologized to the fool known as michelle because that person didn't think she would misunderstand it. You see you have to read all the posts to play the game.


notoriousDUG said:

Gabe, who sent her what she considered a threat and posted pictures of here has participated in this thread so it looks like there was nothing done there.

KevinM said:

So what was the aftermath? Were both Michelle and Gabe banned?

Permalink Reply by Jeff Markus on August 30, 2014 at 8:07pm

I know this sounds simplistic but imposing a numerical limit or number of posts per time frame might have a dampeninmg effect. Altho I do like the idea of a basement to shunt the runaway threads into without badgering or banning neighbors in the community.

Jeff in a peaceful mode

Permalink Reply by Matt M. 18.5KM on August 31, 2014 at 2:07pm

Nicely done Julie!  Hope you are having a great weekend!

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As we all know, the internet is a largely unregulated place open to everyone. The Chainlink exists in the internet, but we want it to be slightly regulated so that it can be a comfortable online space for the community of cyclists in Chicago to share information and experience about cycling in the region. Being a community, we also talk about other things like gardening, and barter, and sometimes politics. In all areas, debate and free flow of information are important and will not be curtailed.


The approach to moderation that we have taken over the years has been light, leaning as much as possible on the community to self police. It has generally worked, although it is not perfect. There is a fine line between stifling conversation and maintaining civil conversation.


That being said the Forum rules will be rewritten in the next few weeks, and a small team of moderators will be put in place. Our new website will be up by the end of the year and will provide new tools for the community and the moderation team to address issues more quickly and to take appropriate action.


I hope everyone has a great holiday weekend. I’ll be spending time with friends and family."

Julie

Permalink Reply by Doug Haynes on September 1, 2014 at 3:21am

I;ve made it clear in the past that I am OK if the things I say that are pushing or outside the rules are edited or deleted.  I'm an adult and aware that pushing those limits can result in repercussions.  I've never complained when I have gotten in trouble over breaking the rules; I just told you or Julie to delete or edit what you thought was a problem if you felt it was required.  I have also stopped certain behaviors when the moderators asked me to.

But that really has nothing to do with my question beyond the fact that some of the crap I do is covered by it.  Why should I be allowed to get away with breaking the rules when other people aren't?

Again, what is the point of having rules if they are ignored or only enforced selectively?  Why was what Michelle did worthy of a banning but what Gabe did let slide completely with no repercussions?  She was being an idiot yes, but Gabe was blatantly harassing her.  It seems to me that purposefully using language a member finds really offensive is a worse offence than not being able to drop the issue.

Of course if somebody has stepped in and done something about it in a timely manner there would be no questions about who should have been banned or rules because there never would have been an issue.  More often than not addressing conflict before it gets out of hand can be more effective than banning people.

When I used to moderate forums I used to try and think of how I would react if I saw the interaction in real life.  

Ask yourself this, if you were in a room full of people and you saw two of them start to go at it like Michelle and Gabe were would you step in or just let them yell at each other?

Permalink Reply by Gort 12-mile Pinklegneep on September 1, 2014 at 6:40am

So did we do that thing where there was a kerfuffle over using a slur and when the dust cleared we'd basically drawn our line in the sand in favor of: use them slurs? 

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