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Tank-Ridin' Ryan said:-An alternate left would be better here (cross street while on the right, then turn to cross the street you were just on), and you stay off the sidewalk.
So you essentially cross two streets in crosswalks...like a pedestrian. And you must get off your bike and wait for the light to cross the second street.
That's cool...but slow; crossing about as fast as a pedestrian. My three-stage technique stays off the sidewalks too (usually). You're just making good use of the bike lane on BOTH sides of the road. The advantage is that you don't have to wait for any traffic light or stop at all. And you're completely invisible to drivers...at your own peril of course if something goes wrong.
This must be a joke. An aside - I enjoy complaining about people who don't take the time to proofread their writing. *now taking bets on how many posts it will take for someone to accuse me of hating Jews and irrationally tying grammar to it*
"For instance go the wrong way down lake. It is an exciting and dangerous ride, but a car would never make it. So I think aslong as the cyclist doesn't screw up they can do what ever they want."
-That's an interesting point seeing as how going the wrong way down Lake St is a possible definition for screwing up in this context.
So, pretty much what I'm seeing here Patrick, is you saying "If I get into an accident, I'll be the one worse off, so fuck traffic laws."
Is that true for all cases? What if you hit another cyclist, or a pedestrian (yes, as much as many love to jaywalk and walk blindly across the crosswalk, who's going to be likely more injured - you, or the person who was just unexpectedly plowed into by you)?
As for the traffic laws that you want to disregard so much, what about the motto "WE ARE TRAFFIC"? We want to be respected by cars and yet you seem to not want to act like traffic, even though you are on a road. If it was a choice left up to the motorist to stop at lights and stop signs, well, I'm sure you can come to the conclusion I have in mind.
We complain about pissy motorists adding a couple minutes to their commute to slow down for us for our safety, but we should be allowed to do whatever we please? Can't have your cake and eat it too.
Tank-Ridin' Ryan said:-An alternate left would be better here (cross street while on the right, then turn to cross the street you were just on), and you stay off the sidewalk.
So you essentially cross two streets in crosswalks...like a pedestrian. And you must get off your bike and wait for the light to cross the second street.
That's cool...but slow; crossing about as fast as a pedestrian. My three-stage technique stays off the sidewalks too (usually). You're just making good use of the bike lane on BOTH sides of the road. The advantage is that you don't have to wait for any traffic light or stop at all. And you're completely invisible to drivers...at your own peril of course if something goes wrong.
I never quite agreed with that motto "we are traffic." I think cyclists are more like anti-traffic. You don't see bikers stuck in traffic.
Tank-Ridin' Ryan said:This must be a joke. An aside - I enjoy complaining about people who don't take the time to proofread their writing. *now taking bets on how many posts it will take for someone to accuse me of hating Jews and irrationally tying grammar to it*
"For instance go the wrong way down lake. It is an exciting and dangerous ride, but a car would never make it. So I think aslong as the cyclist doesn't screw up they can do what ever they want."
-That's an interesting point seeing as how going the wrong way down Lake St is a possible definition for screwing up in this context.
So, pretty much what I'm seeing here Patrick, is you saying "If I get into an accident, I'll be the one worse off, so fuck traffic laws."
Is that true for all cases? What if you hit another cyclist, or a pedestrian (yes, as much as many love to jaywalk and walk blindly across the crosswalk, who's going to be likely more injured - you, or the person who was just unexpectedly plowed into by you)?
As for the traffic laws that you want to disregard so much, what about the motto "WE ARE TRAFFIC"? We want to be respected by cars and yet you seem to not want to act like traffic, even though you are on a road. If it was a choice left up to the motorist to stop at lights and stop signs, well, I'm sure you can come to the conclusion I have in mind.
We complain about pissy motorists adding a couple minutes to their commute to slow down for us for our safety, but we should be allowed to do whatever we please? Can't have your cake and eat it too.
Ok, I had to visualize that three-stage turn more.
Interesting, but it seems like it would be safest if you had to cross one lane of oncoming traffic and next to suicidal if there was more than a single lane coming toward you (both before and after the left turn).
Clark said:Tank-Ridin' Ryan said:-An alternate left would be better here (cross street while on the right, then turn to cross the street you were just on), and you stay off the sidewalk.
So you essentially cross two streets in crosswalks...like a pedestrian. And you must get off your bike and wait for the light to cross the second street.
That's cool...but slow; crossing about as fast as a pedestrian. My three-stage technique stays off the sidewalks too (usually). You're just making good use of the bike lane on BOTH sides of the road. The advantage is that you don't have to wait for any traffic light or stop at all. And you're completely invisible to drivers...at your own peril of course if something goes wrong.
mattbikes1 said:Either you observe the laws, and from time to time you bend them, within reason, or you are a complete anarchist....Which is it? Make yourself known! So I can avoid your mere presence at any and all times when I can!
Is mattbikes1's rant aimed at Drivers or Bikers? I submit that every Driver on the road gleefully breaks speed, following-distance, parking, and many other laws. Since I have no lifesaving seatbelt on my bike, I WILL bike to stay safe on the road...even if it means breaking a few laws intended for cars. And making three-stage left turns is safer than hanging out in the middle of intersections like a duck in a shooting gallery...particularly that Lincoln-Fullerton-Halsted six-way intersection!
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