Say Hello to the Legacy Frameworks Rambler

You may have seen a sneak peak at the 10k party last night, or at the Comfort Station bike day, but we're making it official.

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We've refined our transportation bike into a model named the Rambler. 

It comes in three frame styles - Step-Through, Diamond, and now, Disc Brake

We have a standard build which includes a single speed belt drive, hub based brakes, Generator lighting, full fenders and rack for $1,750

You can find more details about the Rambler Here on our website

And you can find out more about the ordering process on this page

Let us know what you think!

 

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Permalink Reply by Kevin Mulcky on April 1, 2014 at 10:21am

Looks awesome! Is there a link to the geometry figures for the different sizes and models?

Permalink Reply by Dave Grossman on April 1, 2014 at 2:43pm

+1 on looks awesome!

Permalink Reply by Drewbacca on April 1, 2014 at 4:07pm

Yeah, I dig the step-through. 

Otherwise, I'm not a fan of the quill-stem on the other bikes, to each their own... The rack is beautiful, but I prefer the style with the additional lower bar to keep the panniers lower (again, to each their own)... but it's really elegant. Thanks for sharing! 

*edit* Actually, they might grow on me. ;)

Permalink Reply by Crazy David 84 Furlongs on April 2, 2014 at 3:51am

Very nice lines.  But is there really a market for a nearly $2000 "modernized" version of the traditional British three speed.   $2000 gets a rather good bicycle.  A 2014 Surly Long Haul Trucker at REI is $1300.  Its a superb bicycle.....and its hard to imagine what this bicycle would do "better" (or even as well)  I understand the specialized nature of the bicycle, but I just wonder about the market.

Permalink Reply by Legacy Frameworks on April 2, 2014 at 3:55am

Thanks Kevin, I haven't had the need to put those together yet - what kind of numbers do you look at? Here are some of the ones that other companies show for fitting reference.  Let me know if there is something else you are looking for. The step through frame has the same measurements except for stand over height which is increased.

Seat tube Length (c-c): xsm 41cm, sm 45.5cm, md 51.5cm

Seat tube Length (effective): xsm 44cm, sm 53.5cm, md 60cm

Top Tube Length (c-c): xsm 51.5cm, sm 55.5cm, md 59cm

Top tube Length (effective):  xsm 53cm, sm 57.5cm, md 61cm

Wheelbase:  xsm 102.5cm, sm 106cm, md 110cm

Stand-over (diamond):  xsm 69.5cm, sm 75cm, md 81cm


Kelvin Mulcky said:

Looks awesome! Is there a link to the geometry figures for the different sizes and models?

Permalink Reply by Kevin Mulcky on April 2, 2014 at 4:02am



Crazy David 84 Furlongs said:

Very nice lines.  But is there really a market for a nearly $2000 "modernized" version of the traditional British three speed.   $2000 gets a rather good bicycle.  A 2014 Surly Long Haul Trucker at REI is $1300.  Its a superb bicycle.....and its hard to imagine what this bicycle would do "better" (or even as well)  I understand the specialized nature of the bicycle, but I just wonder about the market.

Well, the Long Haul Trucker you mention is designed by a industry dominating corporation in Minneapolis, manufactured in China, and sold by another nation-wide corporation. It looks like Legacy is a one-man show here in Chicago. I'm sure you can walk into his shop and talk to the framebuilder and have it built any way you want it. 

There are certainly more expensive handmade city bikes and cheaper mass produced city bikes. I wish Legacy the best of luck. 

Permalink Reply by Legacy Frameworks on April 2, 2014 at 4:03am

Believe it or not, it is hard to find a good looking, basic stem for an upright bike in the states. This one has gone on all the bikes I've made, but any stem will work if you don't want to be as upright.

Glad you are warming to it!

Drewbacca said:

Yeah, I dig the step-through. 

Otherwise, I'm not a fan of the quill-stem on the other bikes, to each their own... The rack is beautiful, but I prefer the style with the additional lower bar to keep the panniers lower (again, to each their own)... but it's really elegant. Thanks for sharing! 

*edit* Actually, they might grow on me. ;)

Permalink Reply by Crazy David 84 Furlongs on April 2, 2014 at 4:09am

I certainly wish Legacy luck as well.   That being said, whether or not you like the system of commerce now in place in the United States, it is in place.   And thus when you bring a product, no matter how superior, to the market, you must take into account whether the market will support it.    Is it great to have a local framebuilder who will talk to you and "custom" build a bicycle for you?  Sure.  Will most people be willing to pay for it?  Nope.  And the added problem is that the people who would most appreciate his work, may well be unable to afford it, while those who can afford it will be more likely to go for the "prestige" well known national plate.  Thus I asked the question as to whether a market actually exists for these bicycles.  I don't think it does, at least not enough to provide an actual living for the owner.   Whether this is a sad situation, and I think most of us would agree that it is, is not really open to debate.

 

Kelvin Mulcky said:

Well, the Long Haul Trucker you mention is designed by a industry dominating corporation in Minneapolis, manufactured in China, and sold by another nation-wide corporation. It looks like Legacy is a one-man show here in Chicago. I'm sure you can walk into his shop and talk to the framebuilder and have it built any way you want it. 

There are certainly more expensive handmade city bikes and cheaper mass produced city bikes. I wish Legacy the best of luck. 

Permalink Reply by Mike Fiasco on April 2, 2014 at 4:15am

Visually so clean and no-nonsense looking.  Beautiful machines, Legacy.  Some day...

I have no issue with the stem.  Simple, easy to set up, good looking. It blends in with the rest of the bike very nicely.

Permalink Reply by BruceBikes on April 2, 2014 at 4:22am

It looks like this bike comes with a belt drive, full fenders, a generator hub, integrated lights, hub brakes, and a rack - a very civilized European setup and most definitely a modern version of the old English three-speed.  I don't think a Long-haul trucker provides any of these refinements.

I think this is a great looking bike and a decent price point for someone looking for a serious city bike.  I'd like to see an IG hub offered.

Crazy David 84 Furlongs said:

Very nice lines.  But is there really a market for a nearly $2000 "modernized" version of the traditional British three speed.   $2000 gets a rather good bicycle.  A 2014 Surly Long Haul Trucker at REI is $1300.  Its a superb bicycle.....and its hard to imagine what this bicycle would do "better" (or even as well)  I understand the specialized nature of the bicycle, but I just wonder about the market.

Permalink Reply by Legacy Frameworks on April 2, 2014 at 4:27am

Kevin put it well, but being a local small manufacturer - and all the benefits that go along with that - is only part of the story. 

The long haul trucker is indeed a very nice bike. And will work admirably in 'long hauling" situations and for some people in the city. But what if you don't want to be stretched out and ride on the hoods, or want to deal with the 27 gears and the mechanisms that change them.

What if you want to just get on your bike and ride - and not worry about getting dirty from a chain, or if your brake pads are worn down, or if you should have gotten those fenders and rack, of if you remembered to bring your light or change the batteries. 

I appreciate your comment about the market and its a question only time will answer. Hopefully I can do my best to make this option of a thoughtfully designed, locally made and custom tailored bicycle, a reality for a lot people.

It will take a shift in the way people perceive the value in this mode of transportation - away from a commodity for recreation and into a necessity for healthy, responsible transportation


Crazy David 84 Furlongs said:

Very nice lines.  But is there really a market for a nearly $2000 "modernized" version of the traditional British three speed.   $2000 gets a rather good bicycle.  A 2014 Surly Long Haul Trucker at REI is $1300.  Its a superb bicycle.....and its hard to imagine what this bicycle would do "better" (or even as well)  I understand the specialized nature of the bicycle, but I just wonder about the market.

Permalink Reply by Andrew on April 2, 2014 at 4:32am

David, I'm fairly sure Surly isn't selling LHT complete bike builds with fenders, racks, dynamo hubs + lighting and belt drivetrains.  And the riding positions as built are waay different.  What's the point of using the LHT as a comparison point with the LF bikes? 

As for whether or not a market exists for this, I can only say that I personally find the designs/builds very appealing, priced appropriately (honestly, a bit less than what I might have anticipated) and expect to investigate further in coming months.  My current main ride is a Surly Pacer.

I came close to going to Comfort Station on Saturday to check these out and now definitely regret not doing so.

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