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Permalink Reply by milesperhour on January 5, 2011 at 12:12pm

it will be a very humbling experience if he ever has a broken leg.  the fact that he doesn't drive will make it even worse.

 

Of all places, Northwestern's parking garage doesn't have handicap buttons to open the doors, which are really heavy.  It's a hospital!!  It's quite fun trying to open the door and hold it while struggling with crutches.  Even more fun is trying to get someone in a wheel chair through without banging the person's foot on something.  You don't realize how handicap inaccesible this country is until you're put in that situation.

Permalink Reply by Vilda on January 5, 2011 at 3:39pm

Man this is great stuff. Davo implies that by stating a fact (that you all wanna ignore): A handicapped person is going to be milliseconds off when responding to a situation that I'm now the boogey man out to get the handicapped. I've run outta title room on my business cards & name plates.

 

How how dare you speak ill of pita, it's G-D delicious! ;-)

 

Jam, can't open the link here, will when i get home. The baseline to get a license is a broken part of the system and part of the problem. And saying singling out a class is illegal is silly. If there were enough studies done to show that a handicapped person's standard driving is equivalent to that of a cell phone user you don't think they would make legislation?

 

And the assumptions you make are wondrous. I actually drive for a living. All day, mon-fri.

Was not me that stated that the handicap spot goes unused (that was a point made by iggi asking if it was fair to everyone else that 50 feet is going unused), was me that said it shouldn't exist.

 

What i point out about the handicap spots is that if the person can't drive the car correctly to park it they shouldn't be on the road. The yellow lines placed next to the driver side door are for the person to have extra space to exit the vehicle. Why is it then that if you spend enough time in the parkin lots you'll see cars parked perpendicular in the spot (seen many times) or mostly in the yellow (would be exiting into parking lot traffic). Or why can't they pull in and out of the spot like an able bodied person? Cause they are handicapped and shouldn't be driving.

 

I won't even get back into the taking advantage of the handicapped placards.

 

How is it that in the little world of the desenting voices here, stating that a handicapped person shouldn't be allowed to drive is tantamount to treason?

 

And since no one answered here it is again:

 

If handicapped people being behind the wheel is ok and the fact they r slower is acceptable than why bother legislating against cell phone use or texting or even drinkin behind the wheel? we can do away with all of it if that's the case. :-) The legislation was put in place because a distracted driver is slower to respond to a situation than a nondistracted driver. So when Jack pointed out that a distracted driver causes problems he was helping my case. ;-) thanks.

Permalink Reply by Minh on January 5, 2011 at 3:59pm

Guys watch Penn & Teller's episode on handicap parking (they were anti-handicap parking) If you have Netflix watch it on instant watch season 5 episode 7. The do bring up good reasons why businesses shouldn't have to include handicap parking. They are also against the Americans with Disabilities Act. I think most libertarians are

 

If anything Gabe is obviously libertarian. :)

Permalink Reply by Vilda on January 5, 2011 at 7:21pm

Minh, that is the most astute observation made yet. Well done! ;-) (this is said with no sarcasm i know it's hard to tell in the internet) It's really very impressive. ;-)

 

Howie, I can be found on Marauders let's ride around and talk shit and fall down at the end. ;-)

Permalink Reply by Jack on January 6, 2011 at 3:46am

My actual point is that a handicap doesn't mean slower reaction speed and can have nothing to do with driving the actual car, but the mobility after they get out of the car. So the act of driving isn't hampered by a handicap, the foot travel afterward is.  This leads to closer parking spaces.  Kind of like letting the little old lady grab the first seat on the train.  She walked there and can sit anywhere, but why not be a good person and give up your seat?  Gabe, I am not trying to vilify you.  I think your ideas about poor drivers are warrented, but not due to a physical handicap.  Poor drivers are distracted drivers or those who don't have the smarts to follow traffic laws in the first place by choice. 

 

Gabe said:

Minh, that is the most astute observation made yet. Well done! ;-) (this is said with no sarcasm i know it's hard to tell in the internet) It's really very impressive. ;-)

 

Howie, I can be found on Marauders let's ride around and talk shit and fall down at the end. ;-)

Permalink Reply by Davo on January 6, 2011 at 5:13am

I was just stating my opinion ;P

 

I very much agree with the statement about if a person can't park correctly in a handicapped space then they shouldn't be driving. I wish that more people got tickets that affected their driving record for how they cant park. I hate it when I'm ridding and there are a-holes double parked. Or when I am driving and see people taking up two spaces.

 

Maybe if there was a bigger legal risk for crappy driving/parking, then there would be more good drivers out there. I won't hold my breath though.

 

 

 

Permalink Reply by Duppie on January 6, 2011 at 5:27am

Well said.

And as Gabe pointed out earlier, there is no proper research data available showing that disabled individuals are worse drivers. Once that data becomes available we can have a conversation about changing the situation, but until then, equaling disabled individuals to bad drivers is premature.

 

 

Jack said:

My actual point is that a handicap doesn't mean slower reaction speed and can have nothing to do with driving the actual car, but the mobility after they get out of the car. So the act of driving isn't hampered by a handicap, the foot travel afterward is.  This leads to closer parking spaces.  Kind of like letting the little old lady grab the first seat on the train.  She walked there and can sit anywhere, but why not be a good person and give up your seat?  Gabe, I am not trying to vilify you.  I think your ideas about poor drivers are warrented, but not due to a physical handicap.  Poor drivers are distracted drivers or those who don't have the smarts to follow traffic laws in the first place by choice. 

 

Gabe said:

Minh, that is the most astute observation made yet. Well done! ;-) (this is said with no sarcasm i know it's hard to tell in the internet) It's really very impressive. ;-)

 

Howie, I can be found on Marauders let's ride around and talk shit and fall down at the end. ;-)

Permalink Reply by Mark Kenseth on January 6, 2011 at 5:52am

I was reading this thread yesterday and wanted to comment.  But I resisted what seemed to be the lure of a trolling, baited hook.  Then later on that night, I read the following from Robert Putnam's Bowling Alone:

Permalink Reply by Far'arned Retrogrumpalunkus #63 on January 6, 2011 at 3:38pm

I remember Putnam being interviewed by Robert Siegel on NPR a few years back and the book sounded like something I'd like to read someday but never followed up on it.  I just put it on my amazon wish list  Thanks!

 

I hate to sound like a wiki-weiner asking about a "citation needed" but I am very interested in the study that he cites with notation 96.  Could you pass that information on?

Permalink Reply by Mark Kenseth on January 6, 2011 at 4:35pm

You're right, H.  It's not safe to assume, but the goodwill and trust are something that helps in whatever point one is trying to make, and there are a lot of people trying to make different points.  Chapter 9 is interesting: "Against the Tide? Small Groups, Social Movements, and the Net."  Putnam concludes that the internet is great for sharing information, but the internet (in the year 2000) "will not automatically offset the decline in more conventional forms of social capital, but that it has that potential." 

And I hope people who bring up issues in the forum do meet in public, like you suggest.

H3N3 said:

Good stuff.  But there's a whole 'nuther level at play here that goes beyond the lack of non-pixelated cues/social pressure . . . for one, people often don't know much about the person they're communicating with. They don't know what the other person's goals are or even for what purpose they may be participating in the discussion (in contrast to the "experiment" in the posted excerpt.) They don't have a way to tell for sure whether the other party is genuinely interested in the discussion, or is working toward some other end (e.g. purposely trying to "jam" the medium, trying to fill some internal void with no stake in the outcome or the effect on the medium, trying to have and win a good fight simply for the sport of it).

In short, it's not safe to assume that "building goodwill and trust" something the participants are really interested in. But if they are, I agree that a face-to-face meeting is the most expedient way to get there-- it's not like we're spread out across the globe.

Permalink Reply by Mark Kenseth on January 6, 2011 at 4:46pm

I've never heard of a Wiki-weiner (or whiner).  Is there an explanation on Wiki? :)

Btw...the founder, co-founder, or volunteer of Wiki was on Jon Stewart the other night.

James Baum said:

I hate to sound like a wiki-weiner asking about a "citation needed" but I am very interested in the study that he cites with notation 96.  Could you pass that information on?

Permalink Reply by S on January 6, 2011 at 5:41pm

The wiki-weiner think is probably a reference to the annoying tendency for some wikipedia editors and readers to add a citation tag to various statements in articles requesting a citation to back up the assertion.

Mark Kenseth said:

I've never heard of a Wiki-weiner (or whiner).  Is there an explanation on Wiki? :)

Btw...the founder, co-founder, or volunteer of Wiki was on Jon Stewart the other night.

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