New electric bike can haul 100 pounds of cargo
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Permalink Reply by Doug Haynes on
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The e-bike that he never pedals. That guy is not riding a bicycle he is riding an electric scooter at that point.
I want to understand how you think passing a cyclist. lycra clad or not, who is motivating themselves 100% on a bike that is either entirely, or mostly, powered by a motor is some kind of accomplishment. You didn't do shit to be able to pass beyond spend money; I may not be able to go as fast as you do but I have the satisfaction of providing my own power.
Jerry Lee said:yep, i am a douche, an old fat fart and whatever else, that's me. yep the reason, the motor helps, but it is not enough, since top speed of bike is around 20mph at 48volts, add more batteries you will hit 30mph and so on, but at the moment top speed is around 20mph, pedaling can bring it up to 25 to 30mph.
your comment about the car passing, can a lycra guy pass a car on a highway? if you got time looks at this video, seeing a ebike pass cars and trucks on the highway.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX85N8I6XSw
so today some lycra, tommorrow cars........
kiltedcelt said:Jerry Lee said:
Dug;
there is satisfaction when you blow by a Lycra clad expensive bike and you see in the mirror of them trying to catch up, and I am old and fat. I don't mean that I am so fast, that i am uncatchable. There some of those guys absolutely fast. They call it cheating, they said that when I was riding recumbents, thats cheating, whatever.
I'm not going to jump on the I-hate-electric-bikes train, but I will say this - you can't blow by some lycra-clad roadie who is riding an expensive lightweight bike, on your electric-assist bike and consider that some sort of achievement. If you think that's cool, you're just some douche on an electric bike who doesn't realize that the only reason you're blowing past anyone is because you're using a motor. Give those roadies your same bike and the two of you can duke it out. I bet you probably won't be the fastest guy then, or hey, maybe you'll just be two douches on electric bikes going fast. Electric bikes have their uses - electric assist motors for cargo bikes that haul really heavy loads, especially where there are lots of hills, or perhaps for old farts or people who just can't pedal for long distances. However, don't kid yourself and think that you're doing anything while riding an electric bike that can be equated with moving a bike entirely with your own two legs. It's pretty much apples and oranges here. I could make the same argument and say, "Haha! Stupid lycra-clad roadie, I just totally blew past him in my car. Haha! Dude couldn't even keep up!"
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Permalink Reply by globalguy on
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That's called a "Fred" ...
notoriousDUG said:So you take pride in passing real cyclists because your electric bike goes faster with you not working than they go powering it themselves, is that right?
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Permalink Reply by Jerry Lee on
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Well I guess everyone has a satisfaction one way or another.
notoriousDUG said:The e-bike that he never pedals. That guy is not riding a bicycle he is riding an electric scooter at that point.
I want to understand how you think passing a cyclist. lycra clad or not, who is motivating themselves 100% on a bike that is either entirely, or mostly, powered by a motor is some kind of accomplishment. You didn't do shit to be able to pass beyond spend money; I may not be able to go as fast as you do but I have the satisfaction of providing my own power.
Jerry Lee said:yep, i am a douche, an old fat fart and whatever else, that's me. yep the reason, the motor helps, but it is not enough, since top speed of bike is around 20mph at 48volts, add more batteries you will hit 30mph and so on, but at the moment top speed is around 20mph, pedaling can bring it up to 25 to 30mph.
your comment about the car passing, can a lycra guy pass a car on a highway? if you got time looks at this video, seeing a ebike pass cars and trucks on the highway.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX85N8I6XSw
so today some lycra, tommorrow cars........
kiltedcelt said:Jerry Lee said:
Dug;
there is satisfaction when you blow by a Lycra clad expensive bike and you see in the mirror of them trying to catch up, and I am old and fat. I don't mean that I am so fast, that i am uncatchable. There some of those guys absolutely fast. They call it cheating, they said that when I was riding recumbents, thats cheating, whatever.
I'm not going to jump on the I-hate-electric-bikes train, but I will say this - you can't blow by some lycra-clad roadie who is riding an expensive lightweight bike, on your electric-assist bike and consider that some sort of achievement. If you think that's cool, you're just some douche on an electric bike who doesn't realize that the only reason you're blowing past anyone is because you're using a motor. Give those roadies your same bike and the two of you can duke it out. I bet you probably won't be the fastest guy then, or hey, maybe you'll just be two douches on electric bikes going fast. Electric bikes have their uses - electric assist motors for cargo bikes that haul really heavy loads, especially where there are lots of hills, or perhaps for old farts or people who just can't pedal for long distances. However, don't kid yourself and think that you're doing anything while riding an electric bike that can be equated with moving a bike entirely with your own two legs. It's pretty much apples and oranges here. I could make the same argument and say, "Haha! Stupid lycra-clad roadie, I just totally blew past him in my car. Haha! Dude couldn't even keep up!"
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you got it, you are satisfy, that you power by your legs, I have my own satisfaction too.
notoriousDUG said:The e-bike that he never pedals. That guy is not riding a bicycle he is riding an electric scooter at that point.
I want to understand how you think passing a cyclist. lycra clad or not, who is motivating themselves 100% on a bike that is either entirely, or mostly, powered by a motor is some kind of accomplishment. You didn't do shit to be able to pass beyond spend money; I may not be able to go as fast as you do but I have the satisfaction of providing my own power.
Jerry Lee said:yep, i am a douche, an old fat fart and whatever else, that's me. yep the reason, the motor helps, but it is not enough, since top speed of bike is around 20mph at 48volts, add more batteries you will hit 30mph and so on, but at the moment top speed is around 20mph, pedaling can bring it up to 25 to 30mph.
your comment about the car passing, can a lycra guy pass a car on a highway? if you got time looks at this video, seeing a ebike pass cars and trucks on the highway.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX85N8I6XSw
so today some lycra, tommorrow cars........
kiltedcelt said:Jerry Lee said:
Dug;
there is satisfaction when you blow by a Lycra clad expensive bike and you see in the mirror of them trying to catch up, and I am old and fat. I don't mean that I am so fast, that i am uncatchable. There some of those guys absolutely fast. They call it cheating, they said that when I was riding recumbents, thats cheating, whatever.
I'm not going to jump on the I-hate-electric-bikes train, but I will say this - you can't blow by some lycra-clad roadie who is riding an expensive lightweight bike, on your electric-assist bike and consider that some sort of achievement. If you think that's cool, you're just some douche on an electric bike who doesn't realize that the only reason you're blowing past anyone is because you're using a motor. Give those roadies your same bike and the two of you can duke it out. I bet you probably won't be the fastest guy then, or hey, maybe you'll just be two douches on electric bikes going fast. Electric bikes have their uses - electric assist motors for cargo bikes that haul really heavy loads, especially where there are lots of hills, or perhaps for old farts or people who just can't pedal for long distances. However, don't kid yourself and think that you're doing anything while riding an electric bike that can be equated with moving a bike entirely with your own two legs. It's pretty much apples and oranges here. I could make the same argument and say, "Haha! Stupid lycra-clad roadie, I just totally blew past him in my car. Haha! Dude couldn't even keep up!"
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you have your own choice, I have mine.
Mike Fatout said:Electric bikes make their riders weak and dependant on the almighty Lithium Ion Battery. They may as well be riding in a city bus while zipping by a Lycra clad bike rider. I may not be the fastest thing on two wheels but I'm using nothing but legs and lungs to ride my bike. Granted I'm not that old (56) but if I would rather walk than use an electric bike.
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I never said I ride fast on bike paths, I am only on them 5% max, only because the bike ride group that I with
use them, and you know what? I am usually one of the slower one, the people that I pass was on the "Bike the Drive" in May, where I can go all out. When you ride, do you only go half speed, don't you want to do your best, or do you just cruise around like I do.
Davis Moore said:Do whatever you want on your electric powered contraption. Call yourself a cyclist, be proud of accomplishments or ingenuity or whatever you want to call it, I do not give a shit.
Just stay out of the bike lane and off the multi-use paths.
You have no business being there zipping around at over 19 mph. 19 mph is the lergal limit for e-bikes anyway, and even 19 is way too fast for a bike lane or multi-use path IMO. If you're doing over 16-17 you need to be a big boy and get your ass out in the travel lane. And you definitely have no business being on the bike lane or multi-use path doing 30mph. And this is not fat shaming, but if you are "fat" (your words) then you need to think about the additional mass your hurling around at 30mph and how that has the potential to impact others, literally. There's a reason motorcycles and mopeds are more regulated, it's because they're heavier (more mass) and are faster (higher velocity) so the potential to do damage is higher. It's no different being on an "e-bike" if you're considerably heavier and travelling at way higher speeds than the average pace of cyclists in the bike lane. (The same would go for cyclists hauling ass under their own power.)
NY is full of delivery drivers on these things and they're all in the bike lanes, they can barely control the things and they're a menace. You try having a 250lb delivery driver bearing down on you going the wrong way in a parking protected (enclosed, so you have no escape) bike lane, weaving all over the place, at 25 mph. Not cool at all.
If you're going to avail yourself of the convieniences of electricity (which comes from coal and nulcear in this region btw, so don't kid yourself that you're being environmental) then you disqualify yourself from the benefits of bike specific infrastructure in my opinion. Especially if you're not using it to haul cargo or compensate for a disability, infirmity or age. And even then, being 60 doesn't just give you a pass to buy some souped up E-bike and jam it at 30mph in the bike lane. I don't care if your moving the pedals or not.
Other people's safety takes precedence over your convenience and sense of enjoyment.
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Apparently you also take satisfaction in butchering basic English.
Jerry Lee said:you got it, you are satisfy, that you power by your legs, I have my own satisfaction too.
notoriousDUG said:The e-bike that he never pedals. That guy is not riding a bicycle he is riding an electric scooter at that point.
I want to understand how you think passing a cyclist. lycra clad or not, who is motivating themselves 100% on a bike that is either entirely, or mostly, powered by a motor is some kind of accomplishment. You didn't do shit to be able to pass beyond spend money; I may not be able to go as fast as you do but I have the satisfaction of providing my own power.
Jerry Lee said:yep, i am a douche, an old fat fart and whatever else, that's me. yep the reason, the motor helps, but it is not enough, since top speed of bike is around 20mph at 48volts, add more batteries you will hit 30mph and so on, but at the moment top speed is around 20mph, pedaling can bring it up to 25 to 30mph.
your comment about the car passing, can a lycra guy pass a car on a highway? if you got time looks at this video, seeing a ebike pass cars and trucks on the highway.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX85N8I6XSw
so today some lycra, tommorrow cars........
kiltedcelt said:Jerry Lee said:
Dug;
there is satisfaction when you blow by a Lycra clad expensive bike and you see in the mirror of them trying to catch up, and I am old and fat. I don't mean that I am so fast, that i am uncatchable. There some of those guys absolutely fast. They call it cheating, they said that when I was riding recumbents, thats cheating, whatever.
I'm not going to jump on the I-hate-electric-bikes train, but I will say this - you can't blow by some lycra-clad roadie who is riding an expensive lightweight bike, on your electric-assist bike and consider that some sort of achievement. If you think that's cool, you're just some douche on an electric bike who doesn't realize that the only reason you're blowing past anyone is because you're using a motor. Give those roadies your same bike and the two of you can duke it out. I bet you probably won't be the fastest guy then, or hey, maybe you'll just be two douches on electric bikes going fast. Electric bikes have their uses - electric assist motors for cargo bikes that haul really heavy loads, especially where there are lots of hills, or perhaps for old farts or people who just can't pedal for long distances. However, don't kid yourself and think that you're doing anything while riding an electric bike that can be equated with moving a bike entirely with your own two legs. It's pretty much apples and oranges here. I could make the same argument and say, "Haha! Stupid lycra-clad roadie, I just totally blew past him in my car. Haha! Dude couldn't even keep up!"
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It depends on where you are.
In a group on a bike that weighs more and goes faster then it was ever designed to with brakes not meant to stop that weight from that speed I would probably keep the speeds pretty low...
Jerry Lee said:I never said I ride fast on bike paths, I am only on them 5% max, only because the bike ride group that I with
use them, and you know what? I am usually one of the slower one, the people that I pass was on the "Bike the Drive" in May, where I can go all out. When you ride, do you only go half speed, don't you want to do your best, or do you just cruise around like I do.
Davis Moore said:Do whatever you want on your electric powered contraption. Call yourself a cyclist, be proud of accomplishments or ingenuity or whatever you want to call it, I do not give a shit.
Just stay out of the bike lane and off the multi-use paths.
You have no business being there zipping around at over 19 mph. 19 mph is the lergal limit for e-bikes anyway, and even 19 is way too fast for a bike lane or multi-use path IMO. If you're doing over 16-17 you need to be a big boy and get your ass out in the travel lane. And you definitely have no business being on the bike lane or multi-use path doing 30mph. And this is not fat shaming, but if you are "fat" (your words) then you need to think about the additional mass your hurling around at 30mph and how that has the potential to impact others, literally. There's a reason motorcycles and mopeds are more regulated, it's because they're heavier (more mass) and are faster (higher velocity) so the potential to do damage is higher. It's no different being on an "e-bike" if you're considerably heavier and travelling at way higher speeds than the average pace of cyclists in the bike lane. (The same would go for cyclists hauling ass under their own power.)
NY is full of delivery drivers on these things and they're all in the bike lanes, they can barely control the things and they're a menace. You try having a 250lb delivery driver bearing down on you going the wrong way in a parking protected (enclosed, so you have no escape) bike lane, weaving all over the place, at 25 mph. Not cool at all.
If you're going to avail yourself of the convieniences of electricity (which comes from coal and nulcear in this region btw, so don't kid yourself that you're being environmental) then you disqualify yourself from the benefits of bike specific infrastructure in my opinion. Especially if you're not using it to haul cargo or compensate for a disability, infirmity or age. And even then, being 60 doesn't just give you a pass to buy some souped up E-bike and jam it at 30mph in the bike lane. I don't care if your moving the pedals or not.
Other people's safety takes precedence over your convenience and sense of enjoyment.
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This.
Electric assist bikes that require you pedal and put in at least some effort in order to go are a great way to keep cycling accessible to people who's physical limitations would otherwise prevent it.
Cameron 7.5 mi said:I have no problem with pedal assist e-bikes that provide a modest boost and a top speed comparable to most commuters' speeds. I think these are a great tool that expands transportation cycling to more people. They allow people with who wouldn't or couldn't otherwise ride due to terrain, distance, or health problems to enjoy traveling by bike. E-bikes that don't require the rider to pedal and have higher top speeds however are a different matter. These are not bicycles, they are electric motorcycles and should be ridden like motorcycles.
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Permalink Reply by Colleen on
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There's a local company called Off Grid Bikes that does custom electric bike building or converts your existing bike to have an electric motor.
I've seen electric bikes listed for outrageous prices but I think it is just a trendy item at the moment, this is the first year I've seen them in local bike shops. Hopefully prices will reduce with popularity.
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