I bought these new without box, but can't return them, and they turned out to be too small for me. I tried them on a couple of times, but never installed cleats. Marked size 42, but they feel more like a 40 or 41 to me. I wear 9 EE shoes generally, so if you're about 8-8.5 you should be good with these. Read the reviews online, these shoes are well-regarded. I wish they fit me. I am located in west loop.