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Permalink Reply by Michelle Milham on August 5, 2014 at 9:35am

great. And  if he keeps it up I will expose him as the ass that he is. I don't really care. I have plenty of anger at folks like him to spare.  

Simon Phearson said:

That's fine. Tristan won't apologize for his behavior, either, so there you two are alike.

Michelle Milham said:

I extend courtesy to everyone. EXCEPT those who feel the need to continuously and willfully hurt other people using slurs when they have already been informed how offensive it is. Or when they push racist, ableist, sexist, homophobic, or transphobic agendas. I will not idly stand by and politely say "please... please don't make some of the largest issues in America worse because you don't FEEL LIKE helping." I will tell them "You're a dick. IF you continue this behavior, I will continue to tell you you're a dick." 

Like... at what point, exactly, does it become them doing this JUST to hurt BECAUSE THEY CAN. 

Permalink Reply by Chitown_Mike on August 5, 2014 at 9:45am

True, but some of the rebuttals seem over the top.  You (general sense, as in anyone not you specifically) have no right to chide another beyond calling out bad manners, expressing your opinion on word usage, and ending it.

That said, is my opinion.  I don't believe in police others to an extent that make word usage issues moral ones, if someone wants to drop whatever "bomb" the last I checked they can, regardless of what others may think.  I try not to use certain words but I don't always achieve that "moral higher ground", but I am also not going to chase someone around who does.

Michelle Milham said:

Or, you know, we could just try to have sympathy, empathy, critical thinking skills and the desire not to hurt other people with needless slurs! 

Chitown_Mike said:

Tristan, welcome to Chicago, where the only opinion that matters or is right is the one shouted loudest.  You have lost, you're wrong, you deserve to be tied to a bag of rocks and thrown into the lake.  The execution will be live broadcast online for all to see he-who-uses-the-words-not-meant-to-be-used expunged from human record.

For any that start to cry, it is called tongue-in-cheek humor, no one is dying.  If that offends you put on your big boy/girl panties....unless you have a bladder/anal problem which in that case wear your Depends.

Tristan Jackson said:

I started it because I think saying good morning is superior than saying on your left in many instances. I also think, in general, being kind to people, including retarded people, is superior to being mean. I don't see using the word retarded to mean stupid as being mean. Difference of opinion?


David Altenburg said:

Tristan Jackson said:

But, regardless everything else, I'm not going to apologize because I refuse to be bullied into speaking a certain way. ... I like when people speaking frankly, honestly, and passionately. 

Didn't you start this thread in order to request that people talk more politely to each other?

Permalink Reply by Michelle Milham on August 5, 2014 at 9:48am

I have just as much right to do so as he does to continue using it. More because I am fighting for the minority. 

I am going to assume you are not in a minority, or you would understand my position. Next time someone threatens to rape you because you dared to post your picture on the internet, perhaps you will understand what it is like to have disgusting microaggressions tossed at you right and left, adn maybe you'll speak up too. I won't stand up for it. Not for me. Not for women. Not for people with disabilities, not for people who are gay, not for people who are trans. Not for anyone. 

Chitown_Mike said:

True, but some of the rebuttals seem over the top.  You (general sense, as in anyone not you specifically) have no right to chide another beyond calling out bad manners, expressing your opinion on word usage, and ending it.

That said, is my opinion.  I don't believe in police others to an extent that make word usage issues moral ones, if someone wants to drop whatever "bomb" the last I checked they can, regardless of what others may think.  I try not to use certain words but I don't always achieve that "moral higher ground", but I am also not going to chase someone around who does.

Michelle Milham said:

Or, you know, we could just try to have sympathy, empathy, critical thinking skills and the desire not to hurt other people with needless slurs! 

Chitown_Mike said:

Tristan, welcome to Chicago, where the only opinion that matters or is right is the one shouted loudest.  You have lost, you're wrong, you deserve to be tied to a bag of rocks and thrown into the lake.  The execution will be live broadcast online for all to see he-who-uses-the-words-not-meant-to-be-used expunged from human record.

For any that start to cry, it is called tongue-in-cheek humor, no one is dying.  If that offends you put on your big boy/girl panties....unless you have a bladder/anal problem which in that case wear your Depends.

Tristan Jackson said:

I started it because I think saying good morning is superior than saying on your left in many instances. I also think, in general, being kind to people, including retarded people, is superior to being mean. I don't see using the word retarded to mean stupid as being mean. Difference of opinion?


David Altenburg said:

Tristan Jackson said:

But, regardless everything else, I'm not going to apologize because I refuse to be bullied into speaking a certain way. ... I like when people speaking frankly, honestly, and passionately. 

Didn't you start this thread in order to request that people talk more politely to each other?

Permalink Reply by Michelle Milham on August 5, 2014 at 9:55am

h' - I don't know (like legit can't remember) if I've ever wanted to hug you before but this just sums it up so perfectly. 

YES. 

Also, there is a difference between "not being particularly polite to someone who's actively hurting others" and "Bullying" them.  

h' 1.0 said:

"Not policing each-other" means basically leaving all policing to uniformed police.

Civilized societies are =always= based on people "policing each-other."

There's some sort of warped neo-conservative idea that's been taking hold for the last few decades that 'freedom' means being as much of a pig as you want to be and somehow nobody else having the 'right' to call you on it.

I think a lot of our current societal woes can be traced back to this attitude.

Permalink Reply by Chitown_Mike on August 5, 2014 at 10:28am

If I opened my flapper 1/2 as much as I'd like to on here I would have been banned day 1.  I just know the arena to discuss topics, but the internet isn't one because people are just reading words without all the other things (tone, body language, etc.) that go along with a conversation.  I'd bet both the hot under the collar parties would converse civilly if face-to-face.

Or Michelle would result to violence almost immediately.

I am pretty hard line conservative in the vast majority of my views, BUT I try my darnedest not to discuss it in public online.  Over a meal, coffee, beer, ride, whatever I am all for a logical discussion.  I just don't feel it is someone's "right" to command/demand/tell someone else how to think or live, unless life is being lost.  I dated a girl for a really long time whose sister had Down Syndrome, and we had many the conversation about the use of "retarded", on that token I can appreciate what Michelle was doing by responding.  The resort to expecting violence seemed a bit too much, again IMO, but she also has the right to say that and some may think she is just a big a pig as she feels Tristan is.

I feel what someone says/does should be allowed to the extent that what is said/done doesn't cross established laws or the loss of life.  Violence (whether actual or suggested) against a minority in order to change mass opinion is wrong; changing laws or redirecting that anger has worked much better.  Just look at MADD as a great example.

Just like people can piss and moan about the silent cyclists that don't call out as pass, just as much as the cyclists that say something when passing pisses and moans about the oblivious, ear budded-up ped on a trail.  Really it comes down to manners and where someone is coming from, I don't think that someone is "wrong" just because they have a differing opinion or view than mine.

h' 1.0 said:

"Not policing each-other" means basically leaving all policing to uniformed police.

Civilized societies are =always= based on people "policing each-other."

There's some sort of warped neo-conservative idea that's been taking hold for the last few decades that 'freedom' means being as much of a pig as you want to be and somehow nobody else having the 'right' to call you on it.

I think a lot of our current societal woes can be traced back to this attitude.

 
Chitown_Mike said:

True, but some of the rebuttals seem over the top.  You (general sense, as in anyone not you specifically) have no right to chide another beyond calling out bad manners, expressing your opinion on word usage, and ending it.

That said, is my opinion.  I don't believe in police others to an extent that make word usage issues moral ones, if someone wants to drop whatever "bomb" the last I checked they can, regardless of what others may think.  I try not to use certain words but I don't always achieve that "moral higher ground", but I am also not going to chase someone around who does.

Michelle Milham said:

Or, you know, we could just try to have sympathy, empathy, critical thinking skills and the desire not to hurt other people with needless slurs! 

Chitown_Mike said:

Tristan, welcome to Chicago, where the only opinion that matters or is right is the one shouted loudest.  You have lost, you're wrong, you deserve to be tied to a bag of rocks and thrown into the lake.  The execution will be live broadcast online for all to see he-who-uses-the-words-not-meant-to-be-used expunged from human record.

For any that start to cry, it is called tongue-in-cheek humor, no one is dying.  If that offends you put on your big boy/girl panties....unless you have a bladder/anal problem which in that case wear your Depends.

Tristan Jackson said:

I started it because I think saying good morning is superior than saying on your left in many instances. I also think, in general, being kind to people, including retarded people, is superior to being mean. I don't see using the word retarded to mean stupid as being mean. Difference of opinion?


David Altenburg said:

Tristan Jackson said:

But, regardless everything else, I'm not going to apologize because I refuse to be bullied into speaking a certain way. ... I like when people speaking frankly, honestly, and passionately. 

Didn't you start this thread in order to request that people talk more politely to each other?

Permalink Reply by Michelle Milham on August 5, 2014 at 10:32am

I never said I would punch someone. 

But I wouldn't feel bad if Tristan casually tossed out a slur and someone clocked him for it. I wouldn't. Not saying he should be murdered or killed. But honestly. Someone should really just clock 'im. Not that it would ever be me. Because every time he uses that word? He might as well be punching someone in the face.

Permalink Reply by Michelle Milham on August 5, 2014 at 10:35am

Explain to me this: If words can't harm, why do conservatives love banning books so much? 

Chitown_Mike said:

If I opened my flapper 1/2 as much as I'd like to on here I would have been banned day 1.  I just know the arena to discuss topics, but the internet isn't one because people are just reading words without all the other things (tone, body language, etc.) that go along with a conversation.  I'd bet both the hot under the collar parties would converse civilly if face-to-face.

Or Michelle would result to violence almost immediately.

I am pretty hard line conservative in the vast majority of my views, BUT I try my darnedest not to discuss it in public online.  Over a meal, coffee, beer, ride, whatever I am all for a logical discussion.  I just don't feel it is someone's "right" to command/demand/tell someone else how to think or live, unless life is being lost.  I dated a girl for a really long time whose sister had Down Syndrome, and we had many the conversation about the use of "retarded", on that token I can appreciate what Michelle was doing by responding.  The resort to expecting violence seemed a bit too much, again IMO, but she also has the right to say that and some may think she is just a big a pig as she feels Tristan is.

I feel what someone says/does should be allowed to the extent that what is said/done doesn't cross established laws or the loss of life.  Violence (whether actual or suggested) against a minority in order to change mass opinion is wrong; changing laws or redirecting that anger has worked much better.  Just look at MADD as a great example.

Just like people can piss and moan about the silent cyclists that don't call out as pass, just as much as the cyclists that say something when passing pisses and moans about the oblivious, ear budded-up ped on a trail.  Really it comes down to manners and where someone is coming from, I don't think that someone is "wrong" just because they have a differing opinion or view than mine.

Permalink Reply by Chitown_Mike on August 5, 2014 at 10:44am

Pfffttt....I don't know.  There are idiots from all walks of life.  I, personally, love reading books/articles/papers/dissertations and so on from people who have a strongly differing view from me.  I don't feel books should be banned unless they are insinuating violence against a group of people or subject material not suited for a certain age group.  Like I don't think a grade-schooler should have access to books on the rise of Playboy or the Penthouse empires or porn industry, or Mein Kampf (for instance).  But I don't think any of those books should be banned completely to all ages; if a rational adult cannot read something and digested it in a constructive manner, well they shouldn't be reading then.

However, I wish I knew then I could write a book about how not to get your book banned!

Michelle Milham said:

Explain to me this: If words can't harm, why do conservatives love banning books so much? 

Permalink Reply by Far'arned Retrogrumpalunkus #63 on August 5, 2014 at 10:46am

Do you even know what the word retard means?

Permalink Reply by Michelle Milham on August 5, 2014 at 10:49am

It means slow. Retard in music/Italian means slow down the tempo. 

It also is a slur used to dismiss those who have mental disabilities as stupid or unworthy. Which is why it should NEVER be used to describe a person. 

James BlackHeron said:

Do you even know what the word retard means?

Permalink Reply by Tristan Jackson on August 5, 2014 at 10:49am

Umm... Dictionaries DO take in consideration cultural and societal understandings. You're just plain wrong on this part. I'm not saying we can use a dictionary as the final judge and arbiter of what's right and wrong. But dictionaries are useful in helping us establish some ground about what the word means to most people. Here's MW on nigger:

noun
1 usually offensive; see usage paragraph below : a black person
2 usually offensive; see usage paragraph below : a member of any dark-skinned race
3 : a member of a socially disadvantaged class of persons
Origin: alteration of earlier neger, from Middle French negre, from Spanish or Portuguese negro, from negro black, from Latin niger.
First use: 1574
Usage: Nigger in senses 1 and 2 can be found in the works of such writers of the past as Joseph Conrad, Mark Twain, and Charles Dickens, but it now ranks as perhaps the most offensive and inflammatory racial slur in English. Its use by and among blacks is not always intended or taken as offensive, but, except in sense 3, it is otherwise a word expressive of racial hatred and bigotry.



Rachel K said:

Did the DICTIONARY cop out really just come up???

Dude.

Seriously?

The reason "retarded" is offensive is because of societal and cultural implications, which, drum roll please! the dictionary doesn't take into consideration! N*gger is in the Merriam Webster dictionary too but we don't say it because it's historically been used to stigmatize people and is now considered offensive and racist as fuck! Regardless if you're saying "retarded" or "mentally handicapped" or WHATEVER, the point is you're still using it negatively and society has and continues to treat people that do have disabilities like shit. When you call someone retarded you by extension are demeaning and dismissing people who really do have whatever type of problems. What you're literally doing is trying to offend someone by reducing them to someone who is mentally handicapped.

I wasn't even going to bring it up when I initially responded because I didn't want to veer off topic but your response to Michelle was absolutely 100% asinine.

Permalink Reply by Chitown_Mike on August 5, 2014 at 10:50am

I think it was defined earlier, but seems there are more emotional definitions to the word than what Dr. Webster has to say.

James BlackHeron said:

Do you even know what the word retard means?

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