Just got this email, so don't plan to ride Divvy home today:
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Divvy | 711 SE Grand | Portland | OR | 97214 |
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Divvy has re-opened, so you can all stop sniping at each other now.
Because a high percentage of people own cars and, in theory, only need to use them occasionally: thus, car sharing allows them to use a car occasionally without spending thousands of dollars annually for upkeep, parking, insurance, etc.
By contrast, a low percentage of people bike in the city. Divvy is a friendly-looking program that might help otherwise-interested people get past their "activiation energy barrier" to try it out, and if they discovery they like it, they might buy a bike for more regular use or for longer rides.
But I imagine you know this. :)
h' 1.0 said:
So, uh...
just wondering.
How is it that car sharing is supposed to get people to move away from owning their own cars, but bike sharing is a supposed to be a gateway to people purchasing their own bikes?
It's great that Divvy is opened. But has anyone else called them & asked about getting a refund for the 2 days it was closed?
I'm going to have my cat call now for that .42 or whatever they owe me. Oh wait, he just reminded me that the stamp to send a refund check will cost more. And he just added has better things to do like sleep.
El Dorado said:
It's great that Divvy is opened. But has anyone else called them & asked about getting a refund for the 2 days it was closed?
I think the idea is "a rising tide lifts all boats."
h' 1.0 said:
So, uh...
just wondering.
How is it that car sharing is supposed to get people to move away from owning their own cars, but bike sharing is a supposed to be a gateway to people purchasing their own bikes?
I love Divvy and I think it is a HUGE gateway to getting more people on their OWN bike.
it was inspired by your dog comment!!!
Carrie Hirsch said:
Oh SNAP, Julie!
Eli said:
People are arguing against a straw man--the argument that Divvy should never shut down. No one in this thread has made that argument. Many people have made the argument that Divvy owes its users more (any) notice (as mentioned earlier, the email that Divvy sent out actually came well after the shutdown had begun), more information about what conditions will lead to a shutdown, and some indication as to how long a shutdown will last, or under what conditions it will be lifted.
It always amuses me how many people view their willingness to be jerked around by companies without complaint as somehow testifying to their toughness.
No, I don't think people are arguing against that strawman that Divvy should never shutdown. Instead they are arguing that sometimes unforseen situations result in shutdowns with little notice. I think Divvy wanted to remain open but after the snow fall caused a worse impact on the streets and operations than expected they decided to close down. Yes, more warning would have been nice but in order to do that they would have to pretty much shutdown the system whenever there's more than 3 or 4 inches of snow predicted. The specifics of the weather is largely unpredictable and even the best forecasts have a moderately large amount of uncertainty in them.
Your example of the southwest gate delays is another example of this. I'm sure Southwest would prefer not getting fined by the government, pissing off a bunch of passengers, and getting bad PR to boot. However the weather resulted in more planes being at Midway than they had gates. I'm sure Southwest wanted to get people off as soon as possible, but it's not as if you can move planes around the airport and gates like they were cars looking for parking spots.
I Lol-ed.
h' 1.0 said:
Why does that sound vaguely erotic?
Tom Dworzanski said:I think the idea is "a rising tide lifts all boats."
h' 1.0 said:So, uh...
just wondering.
How is it that car sharing is supposed to get people to move away from owning their own cars, but bike sharing is a supposed to be a gateway to people purchasing their own bikes?
I love Divvy and I think it is a HUGE gateway to getting more people on their OWN bike.
I think it has to do with cost of ownership and freedom of use. Car sharing helps people eliminate the expense of something they rarely need. In an urban environment lots of people find a car useful but it is not something they need for everyday life. However, because of how expensive it is to have a car for the rare times people need it I think they use it more for things they could do by bike or transit to justify the cost of those times that they need it. Car sharing allows people quick and easy access to a car for the short periods of time most people actually need them (rentals are structured around longer blocks of time than a trip to Home Depot). Basically it lets people do away with the cost an inconvenience of owning a car in order to only make a few trips a month.
Bike share on the other hand, I think, helps to teach people who do not normally ride a bike, or are not yet aware of how useful a bike is for transportation, to see just how easy and simple it is to get around by bike. I have talked to a few people who don't really ride, including my parents, who used Divvy for a short trip and were surprised by how easy it was to get around by bike as well as how a bike 'shrinks' the city. I think that these people are learning how practical it is to use a bike to get around and as rental times and limited station locations start to impede them using a bike for trips they now recognize as bikeable they may end up making the jump to owning their own bike for the extra freedom it provides.
h' 1.0 said:
So, uh...
just wondering.
How is it that car sharing is supposed to get people to move away from owning their own cars, but bike sharing is a supposed to be a gateway to people purchasing their own bikes?
I love Divvy and I think it is a HUGE gateway to getting more people on their OWN bike.
Read your user agreement ding-dong, it says right in it that they strive for 365 service but cannot always give it. In other words when you signed up you agreed to enter the program aware that there was a possibility that the service you paid for may not always be in service.
El Dorado said:
It's great that Divvy is opened. But has anyone else called them & asked about getting a refund for the 2 days it was closed?
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