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spacemodular said:Another column on the same subject:
I feel that Bike theft keeps many people from riding bikes for the long term. They quit riding because they have no bike and feel it is a waste of money to invest in something that will just be stolen again.
Word . . . I've followed up with more than a few theft victims who were ready to hang it up and not try to replace the bike.
Who's up for a chainlink bait bike? Think we can get the cops to come in time?..er ha forget that
Baiting, with any cheepo lock is simply not entrapment. A lock...even if the bike is tied with a shoe string, indicates ownership and an intent of returning to the property.
yeah...if we were to put a bike next to a dumpster, and jump the shit out of a guy for trying to take it...yeah, thats not ok, and having him arrested for attempted theft...i would agree...entrapment.
now, in my case of a shoe string...is that 'leading them on'. absolutely!! it may be an invitation, but it simply expedites the process.
i see it no different than a female cop in a mini skirt and 22" heels on a dark corner under the L, and a dude tries to pick her up after a negotiation of 'services', and busts dude for picking up a hooker.
Dr. Doom said:
If my neighbor sets out a snazzy hi-fi setup on the curb and I take it, am I stealing?
Yes, you are stealing.
I've lived in large cities my whole life and there's always been a social consensus that legitimately untended property is up for grabs. That social consensus is wrong - it encourages theft.
If it isn't yours you shouldn't take it unless someone has specifically given it to you are marked it as "free gift".
"Social consensus" accepted slavery at one time too.
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I put a box of books on my curb yesterday because I'm perfectly aware that other people are perfectly aware they're free to take the ones they want. By your logic they're stealing and participating in a social dynamic worth comparison to slavery? Godwin might need to pass a new law.
Again, truly anyone outraged that they can't safely leave their property literally unattended is either truly not cut out for life in a town this big or is just plain stupid. And the cops should have better things to do than catch out people taking such property. This reminds me of the ridiculously stupid NYPD stings where they would drop wallets in the subways and then arrest people who picked them up—never mind that those people really had every right to do so, or even that they were probably just picking them up with the intention of finding their owners.
Bob Kastigar said:Dr. Doom said:
If my neighbor sets out a snazzy hi-fi setup on the curb and I take it, am I stealing?
Yes, you are stealing.
I've lived in large cities my whole life and there's always been a social consensus that legitimately untended property is up for grabs. That social consensus is wrong - it encourages theft.
If it isn't yours you shouldn't take it unless someone has specifically given it to you are marked it as "free gift".
"Social consensus" accepted slavery at one time too.
.
an unlocked bike on someone's porch...off limits (tho very prone to theft)
an unlocked bike along a curb...free for the taking.
its quite simple really
Dr. Doom said:I put a box of books on my curb yesterday because I'm perfectly aware that other people are perfectly aware they're free to take the ones they want. By your logic they're stealing and participating in a social dynamic worth comparison to slavery? Godwin might need to pass a new law.
Again, truly anyone outraged that they can't safely leave their property literally unattended is either truly not cut out for life in a town this big or is just plain stupid. And the cops should have better things to do than catch out people taking such property. This reminds me of the ridiculously stupid NYPD stings where they would drop wallets in the subways and then arrest people who picked them up—never mind that those people really had every right to do so, or even that they were probably just picking them up with the intention of finding their owners.
Bob Kastigar said:Dr. Doom said:
If my neighbor sets out a snazzy hi-fi setup on the curb and I take it, am I stealing?
Yes, you are stealing.
I've lived in large cities my whole life and there's always been a social consensus that legitimately untended property is up for grabs. That social consensus is wrong - it encourages theft.
If it isn't yours you shouldn't take it unless someone has specifically given it to you are marked it as "free gift".
"Social consensus" accepted slavery at one time too.
.
I briefly read over the first page of Wiki, I did not really see anything relating to theft or stolen property, Just child porn and narcotics. Is there anything else you may be aware (in regards to the court) in direct relation to theft or stolen property ? I do so much enjoy reading about these court cases and thank you for the time to look this up... I would hate myself if I had to put myself through law school when I despise so many things in society and would just rather enjoy my life...
Spencer "Thunderball" Thayer! said:And no this isn't entrapment.
A defense attorney can only use Entrapment as a defense against a criminal charge if law enforcement agents attempted to force or convince the defendant to commit an offense which the defendant would otherwise have not have committed. Woo Wai v. United States, 223 F.1d 412 (9th Cir. 1915), Sorrells v. United States, 287 U.S. 435 (1932) and Jacobson v. United States, 503 U.S. 540 (1992).
Would taking my brakes off be conciderd booby trapping?
Would taking my brakes off be conciderd booby trapping?
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