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Permalink Reply by TonyP on July 24, 2017 at 11:57am

What should they die from?

Some bad decisions do no harm, some may cause some inconvenience, some can hurt someone and some could cause someone's death. That's the reality of it, and that's why we all should think about our actions, and act responsibly.

His actions caused his injuries and everyone feels bad for him, but if he was driving the car and the young woman was on the bike when he blew the light, injuring her, everyone would be screaming for his head.  

He was riding like a fool and he's paying the price, I just hope the young woman isn't blaming herself for his negligence.

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Permalink Reply by J.P. on July 27, 2017 at 12:31pm

Yes, indeed... poor guy and hopefully speedy recovery. 

But I have to ask...

What mistake? That wasn't a mistake.... he saw a red light, he saw the cross traffic and decided to enter the intersection anyways. 

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Permalink Reply by Jim Reho on July 27, 2017 at 5:05pm

+1.  On this website we complain, rightfully, about driver/bicycle collisions being called "accidents".  Well, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.  The actions of this cyclist were not a "mistake".  A "mistake" would have been if he couldn't or didn't see the light.  His acts were willful, conscious, and knowing.  Watch the video.  If we're going to call drivers out for their actions, let's stop making excuses for our own.  I've made plenty of mistakes riding my bike.  So probably have we all.  But what this guy did was not that.  What he did constituted an arrogant and deliberate disregard of the lights at a dangerous intersection.  There was no mistake involved.  And I'd love to see his toxicology test.     

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Permalink Reply by Adam C. on July 24, 2017 at 4:24am

Has there been any updates as to the rider's condition?

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Permalink Reply by David Henri on July 24, 2017 at 5:10am

On my daily Milwaukee commute, I do stop at the red lights, although it probably adds 20 minutes to my total time (vs if I ran every one), but sheesh, look at the consequences.  I see fellow cyclists running reds at every signal.  And the people who get a jump on the green by starting off when the ped signal turns white, really?  All it takes is one nut trying to make the red from the other direction.  It's not worth it.  Please stop at the red lights.

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Permalink Reply by Jim Reho on July 24, 2017 at 3:56pm

It seems to me that more and more people, both drivers and cyclists, are trying to get that jump on red lights.  It probably works great -- until it doesn't.  And then you're in a lot of trouble.

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Permalink Reply by David Barish on July 28, 2017 at 5:04am

Having  read many of the recent comments the upshot to me is a need for  empathy.  I  have  seen  concern for both the  cyclist and  the driver and  I  think empathy is needed  for both.   I will  not  go over  it but  assume posters have seen  the video.  We have seen other  threads where there has been a more consistent vitriol against the  driver.  given  the circumstances here the  concern is  more spread out and more measured. I think we can  take this for  all crashes, even the infamous ones that have  been  discussed on other threads.  The knee jerk anti cyclist trolls we have seen on  other sites have been  matched  by a 'string 'em up" mentality against  drivers here.   Even  when  one actor  does a real bad, real  illegal  or  real lethal thing, that actor  is still a human and taking  away their humanity is problematic for me. All this said, I am  completely behind the  search  for  truth  and that  search  often  finds one party has caused the crash and is responsible for the damage done.

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Permalink Reply by Anne Alt on July 28, 2017 at 5:43am

Even  when  one actor  does a real bad, real  illegal  or  real lethal thing, that actor  is still a human and taking  away their humanity is problematic for me. 

Thank you. Well said.

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