Tunney wants MORE cars in Lakeview...
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Permalink Reply by h' Zerocats on
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I usually do my best to ignore the fabric of my neighborhood, unless it's on the parkway and I have time to kick it into the street.
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Permalink Reply by Mike Zumwalt on
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I rode through Wrigleyville this morning and it was already getting crazy at 9:30ish.
It is a major tourist draw and a money pit for local bars and restaraunts much like Navy Pier/Oak Street/North ave. beach in the summer.
And this is the year!!!!! LOL.
Tricolor said:Having driven and biked around Wrigley during games I can't say I'd want to do either one if I could avoid it.
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Mine...? Broken beer bottles, Swisher Sweet wrappers, people throwing McD's/trash out the car window, gun shells on the sidewalk...then they end up on channel 7 crying about their dead child and asking what "the city" is going to do about it.
Duppie 13.5185km said:I wonder how you would describe the "fabric of the neighborhood" that you live in.
Jason said:The "fabric of the neighborhood" is a drunken shit show with tourists everywhere.
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Any report on yesterday's rally?
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Permalink Reply by David Barish on
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"neighborhood" does not mean the circus that envelops Clark Street on game days. it encompasses the side streets a mile or so in all directions from the park. The circus does not intrude on those streets other than cars trying to find a space on the already crowded sidestreets and a handful of folks walking to and from the game to either public transportation, home or their more remotely parked vehicles. The character of the gameday throng on Clark has degenerated over the years. I used to live at 1060 Cornelia eons ago and it was not such a big deal. It is a culture shock now. Last Summer some friends and I met for dinner at El Jardin in the early evening after an afternoon game that we had not attended. Clark St. was like an extended fraternity party. However, that is not the fabric of the neighborhood. That fabric has been pretty constant over the past 30 years. It has evolved from lower income locals to more economically stable and upawardly mobile locals. The gentrification happened a while ago. That is a separate social issue. Either way, painting a picture of the neighborhood as seen through the posts on this thread does little for reality and does not reflect the fabric of the real neighborhood. If I still lived there I would be offended. I just take them for what they are- rhetorical flourishes.
Tunny, either the first or one of the first, openly gay elected officials in the city, represents the fabric of his ward. His ward has a lot of gay residents many of whom are employed and in a good economic place. His ward has a number of small businesses that thrive. The rooftop trolls are just a small part of the ward. He takes a beating for representing his ward. We all know he owns a business, Ann Sather in the neighborhood. The clientele of that restaurant pretty much sums up the constituency of the alderrman. The ward and the neighborhood are generally good places to ride a bike, live and shop. The alderrman's desire for a garage in the face of Wrigley expansion and in the face of more intruders coming to the area from afar.
The garage is likely to be an aesthetic disaster and may represent the "suburbanization" of the neighborhood but it is a reasonable addition. I thought Michelle's attempt to persuade me was well stated and made many good points. I still cannot sign the petition.
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Permalink Reply by Liz on
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If a garage is built and all of the side street parking within 1 mile becomes zoned for game days, it would greatly reduce the spread of drivers roaming back and forth searching for a space. I lived on Aldine for several years and dreaded game days even being so far south of the stadium. It meant out of towners circling for parking because there's no dedicated parking by the stadium.
Having a lot that people can be fed into coming off of lake shore drive on Irving Park and not circling around would reduce impact on the larger area. As long obtaining game day zone stickers is easy, there's no reason that residents wouldn't be able to get them (in my opinion too much of the street parking isn't zoned and there's way too many cars parking on the street that aren't driven for weeks on end.).
For the traffic coming off of the Kennedy, it needs to be filtered onto Addison and straight into the remote lot. Right now the signs direct people to get off at Irving Park and finding the remote lot is confusing. Having staff flagging people into the lot and making it clear on the website that the lot offers a free shuttle would reduce the cars trying to park next to the field.
In terms of neighborhood change, I think it has changes significantly, even in the time I was there (2006-2010) it changed. It became fewer families (a lot headed west to Roscoe) and more young transplants to the city. The bars aren't crazy just on game days, they're crazy year round from the local crowd.
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Permalink Reply by Jason W on
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If it's only on game days why is it a drunken shit show October through March? The cubs don't play then.
David Barish said:"neighborhood" does not mean the circus that envelops Clark Street on game days. it encompasses the side streets a mile or so in all directions from the park. The circus does not intrude on those streets other than cars trying to find a space on the already crowded sidestreets and a handful of folks walking to and from the game to either public transportation, home or their more remotely parked vehicles. The character of the gameday throng on Clark has degenerated over the years. I used to live at 1060 Cornelia eons ago and it was not such a big deal. It is a culture shock now. Last Summer some friends and I met for dinner at El Jardin in the early evening after an afternoon game that we had not attended. Clark St. was like an extended fraternity party. However, that is not the fabric of the neighborhood. That fabric has been pretty constant over the past 30 years. It has evolved from lower income locals to more economically stable and upawardly mobile locals. The gentrification happened a while ago. That is a separate social issue. Either way, painting a picture of the neighborhood as seen through the posts on this thread does little for reality and does not reflect the fabric of the real neighborhood. If I still lived there I would be offended. I just take them for what they are- rhetorical flourishes.
Tunny, either the first or one of the first, openly gay elected officials in the city, represents the fabric of his ward. His ward has a lot of gay residents many of whom are employed and in a good economic place. His ward has a number of small businesses that thrive. The rooftop trolls are just a small part of the ward. He takes a beating for representing his ward. We all know he owns a business, Ann Sather in the neighborhood. The clientele of that restaurant pretty much sums up the constituency of the alderrman. The ward and the neighborhood are generally good places to ride a bike, live and shop. The alderrman's desire for a garage in the face of Wrigley expansion and in the face of more intruders coming to the area from afar.
The garage is likely to be an aesthetic disaster and may represent the "suburbanization" of the neighborhood but it is a reasonable addition. I thought Michelle's attempt to persuade me was well stated and made many good points. I still cannot sign the petition.
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Permalink Reply by Crazy David 84 Furlongs on
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Its all part of the mind set and the massive PR efforts over the years by the Cubs and the Beer companies. The same subset of Cub fans that come to Wrigley, the bar/party place are the same subset that also come to Wrigleyville, the prime bar/club area in Chicago. Those couple of blocks on Clark, simply put, have more clubs and bars in a fewer number of blocks than anywhere else in the rest of the city.
The baseball fans who come to Wrigley, the barely adequate ball park, are not the ones causing trouble in the neighborhood. But they are also not the desired fan who will spend $60 or more per person on food, beer and memorabilia. And they are also not the ones that come to the Wrigleyville bars.
Jason said:If it's only on game days why is it a drunken shit show October through March? The cubs don't play then.
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Oh well...
h' 1.0 said:Any report on yesterday's rally?
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Crain's: Wrigley Field Renovation Deal Reached by Cubs/Emmanuel/Tunney
Excerpt:
SHERATON HOTEL ACROSS THE STREET
The Cubs will be allowed to build their planned boutique Sheraton hotel on Clark Street, across from from the park. The hotel will include 175 rooms, 75 parking spaces, food and beverage sellers and retail shops, as well as a 40,000-square-foot Chicago Athletic Club location and a pedestrian bridge with public access over Clark Street connecting the hotel and the triangle property plaza. The Cubs also will be allowed to place signage along the hotel, the triangle property office building and the plaza, including four video screens within the plaza on which the team will advertise, broadcast Cubs games and show "Movies in the Plaza" for the public.
PARKING
The Cubs will develop a new parking plan calling for 1,000 free parking spots off site with a shuttle to Wrigley Field. They'll also put together an awareness campaign with Mr. Tunney's office and the Chicago Department of Transportation to better educate fans about remote parking options and other alternative ways of getting to the park, like bikes and the CTA. (Improving awareness of existing options was something neighborhood groups and the Alderman have pushed recently). The Cubs will also be allowed to reconstruct the "Brown Lot" on Eddy Street, pending community approval.
TRAFFIC
There will be new Clark Street traffic lights to control game-day congestion, and the Cubs will work with the city and community on a new public safety plan that will provide 30 additional safety personnel outside the park after games. In exchange for the potential increase in traffic, the Cubs will contribute to the School Street Play Lot funding effort and make annual contributions for the next 10 years for public projects benefitting the area, as agreed upon by Mr. Tunney and the team.
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Permalink Reply by Lisa Curcio on
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At the risk of sticking my neck out and having one of you guys step on it, that sounds not too bad if it is actually executed as written.
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I agree. While the "character" of Wrigley Field will change, it has already changed a lot already in recent years with things like the existing Captain Morgan club and this is just another step in that direction.
Someone in the Crain's comments also makes the good point that Ricketts was asking for a lot of public money for this project but received zero.
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