North Avenue Beach Assaults?
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Permalink Reply by Anne Alt on
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The Trib ran three good columns today about these attacks and the big picture: John Kass, Dawn Turner Trice, and Mary Schmich. All three are worth reading and considering.
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Permalink Reply by Davo on
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I think that would bring some bad memories of what happend in the '60's. Im sure that you have seen fotage of that somewhere. Those were peacefull protesters though.
Melanie said:I wonder if fire hosing the hooligans would actually work? Just a thought.
James Baum said:I read this as "hose patrol" at first...
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Permalink Reply by Liz on
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I really like how Kass' article highlighted this behavior as nothing new, just happening in a different place. The acceptance when violence of this magnitude occurs on the far south side is really a reflection of the true chicago, and not just the picture painted for tourists and well off residents.
Anne Alt said:The Trib ran three good columns today about these attacks and the big picture: John Kass, Dawn Turner Trice, and Mary Schmich. All three are worth reading and considering.
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Permalink Reply by Far'arned Retrogrumpalunkus #63 on
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It isn't anything new. Chicago is a scary place. If only I could talk my wife into moving back to Madison with me i'd be all set. Logan Square isn't too bad but the petty crime is a bit much at times. I miss being in a civilized city where you could actually leave your door unlocked for 10 minutes without having some passerby trying it. It's kind of ridiculous here. I won't even get into the amount of filth and garbage floating around. It's not quite as bad as New York at least -but compared to Madison it's like living in a landfill. That's something I just can never get used to.
Liz said:
I really like how Kass' article highlighted this behavior as nothing new, just happening in a different place. The acceptance when violence of this magnitude occurs on the far south side is really a reflection of the true chicago, and not just the picture painted for tourists and well off residents.
Anne Alt said:The Trib ran three good columns today about these attacks and the big picture: John Kass, Dawn Turner Trice, and Mary Schmich. All three are worth reading and considering.
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Permalink Reply by Melanie K on
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Actually, has anyone been on the LFP in this area since this discussion started? I am just curious since I normally avoid that route during the afternoon/evening just because it gets too slow & crowded, and now I have been avoiding it because of the dangers it could pose. Has anyone gotten a recent glimpse these past few extremely hot and humid days to provide an update? Thanks.
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Permalink Reply by S on
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I was on the south sectin LFP up till the museum campus and there were quite a few people at 35th St beach and it was pretty crowded at that stretch. I can't imagine the oak st/north ave beach sections being less crowded. There was a fairly heavy police presence though and this morning when I went up till belmont harbor and back south I noticed there where atv patrols between oak st and fullerton.
Melanie said:
Actually, has anyone been on the LFP in this area since this discussion started? I am just curious since I normally avoid that route during the afternoon/evening just because it gets too slow & crowded, and now I have been avoiding it because of the dangers it could pose. Has anyone gotten a recent glimpse these past few extremely hot and humid days to provide an update? Thanks.
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Permalink Reply by David on
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I rode from Navy Pier to the North end of the LFP last night around 7PM then rode back around 10. Around 7PM, the path between Oak and North was clogged with your typical small groups of clueless teens, but no large mob-like gangs and there was a huge police presence. So it was annoying, but didn't feel dangerous at all.
Coming back, the crowds had dispersed and it was a typical (and gorgeous) summer night on the LFP, although there was still a much larger than usual police presence and, at least when I passed, there were lots of service vehicles on the path between North and Chicago. That didn't seem related to the police presence, they were probably just cleaning up.
Melanie said:Actually, has anyone been on the LFP in this area since this discussion started? I am just curious since I normally avoid that route during the afternoon/evening just because it gets too slow & crowded, and now I have been avoiding it because of the dangers it could pose. Has anyone gotten a recent glimpse these past few extremely hot and humid days to provide an update? Thanks.
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Permalink Reply by Alex B. on
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I guess I'm glad I don't live in the "true" Chicago. But I think it's hardly surprising that people who don't live in the most crime-ridden neighborhoods of the south and west sides care more about their own neighborhoods. The reaction to these attacks is proportional to the centrality, density, and purpose of the location. Mess with the hive, you're gonna get stung.
The acceptance when violence of this magnitude occurs on the far south side is really a reflection of the true chicago
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Hopefully the police presence will continue and it will be safe to travel the LFP once again- thank you for the updates!
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I guess I'm glad I don't live in the "true" Chicago. But I think it's hardly surprising that people who don't live in the most crime-ridden neighborhoods of the south and west sides care more about their own neighborhoods. The reaction to these attacks is proportional to the centrality, density, and purpose of the location. Mess with the hive, you're gonna get stung.
The acceptance when violence of this magnitude occurs on the far south side is really a reflection of the true chicago
Blaming the people in crime-ridden areas and allowing them to just "take their own responsibility" leads to the situation we have right now. Bored youths from those areas are coming downtown. They have nothing better to do, no prospects for a better life, and will not face serious consiquences for thier actions.
There are many societal changes that need to occur before this cycle of violence and crime can be broken.
Should we start with the prison system? Criminals are put in a cell and let out some time later with fewer prospects of work than when they went it. What incentive do they have to not commit crime? If the revolving door prison system is marginally improved, it could mean very large savings to the tax payers.
Should we start with the community schools in these areas? They are underfunded, and even the most well meaning teachers cannot begin to address the serious issues of children who witness violence, are abused, neglected or just happen to be children of children who are not equipped to handle parenting. Having a consisten adult who is nuturing, caring, and looking out for their well being is not something that can be "fixed" by putting more police on the streets.
Should we start with addiction and drugs? The people most in need of help have no money or means to recieve it. This costs our society much more than simply paying to address these issues directly.
How about mental health? Even the most well off indivuals struggling with mental health disorders can suffer for decades before recieving the correct treatment. What are those without the means to pay for expensive psychiatrists and medications to do. How does out society address those who don't even aknowledge that they are sick?
How do we start to build community pride? Say what you will about Father Michael Pfleger but he has managed to make a comminty proud of itself. Teaching residants that this is not the way it has to be, that they can make a difference and improve their community is something that people don't even know is possible. Hopelessness is a terrible and destructive condition.
This is a very large problem, that does not have a simple solution.Adding police to high profile areas is putting a bandaid on the situation.
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Permalink Reply by Radfahrer on
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I liked what Trice and Schmich had to say, but Kass's essay was more tired ax-grinding (Daleyland) by a wealthy suburbanite who rode the red line long enough to find a black man to interview. The "true Chicago" is anywhere in the city we happen to live. I've been cycling on the lakefront since the 1970s, both recreationally and for commuting purposes, and chose my neighborhood because of its proximity to an unbelievably beautiful north-south bicycling corridor. In the pre-Chainlink days I was attacked around 35th Street during an off-hours training ride and made sure to notify the police immediately --and ride there again the next day, even though I was wary -- because I refuse to give up this bit of turf that so enriches my daily life. Plain and simple: If you are harassed or attacked, get the word out -- thanks, head honcho Chainlinkers for this fantastic resource -- call the police, but don't be afraid to cycle on the lakefront because of these incidents (we all know there are plenty of reasons to avoid the LFP in the summer, but fear shouldn't be one of them). What's the point of living here if we can't take advantage of one of the city's greatest assets?
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Permalink Reply by MagMileMarauder on
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Well said Liz. When we have a political and economical system rotten to the core like ours, it's very naive (yet very simple) to treat the these symptoms as the root cause of the problems we face.
Liz said:
I guess I'm glad I don't live in the "true" Chicago. But I think it's hardly surprising that people who don't live in the most crime-ridden neighborhoods of the south and west sides care more about their own neighborhoods. The reaction to these attacks is proportional to the centrality, density, and purpose of the location. Mess with the hive, you're gonna get stung.
The acceptance when violence of this magnitude occurs on the far south side is really a reflection of the true chicago
Blaming the people in crime-ridden areas and allowing them to just "take their own responsibility" leads to the situation we have right now. Bored youths from those areas are coming downtown. They have nothing better to do, no prospects for a better life, and will not face serious consiquences for thier actions.
There are many societal changes that need to occur before this cycle of violence and crime can be broken.
Should we start with the prison system? Criminals are put in a cell and let out some time later with fewer prospects of work than when they went it. What incentive do they have to not commit crime? If the revolving door prison system is marginally improved, it could mean very large savings to the tax payers.
Should we start with the community schools in these areas? They are underfunded, and even the most well meaning teachers cannot begin to address the serious issues of children who witness violence, are abused, neglected or just happen to be children of children who are not equipped to handle parenting. Having a consisten adult who is nuturing, caring, and looking out for their well being is not something that can be "fixed" by putting more police on the streets.
Should we start with addiction and drugs? The people most in need of help have no money or means to recieve it. This costs our society much more than simply paying to address these issues directly.
How about mental health? Even the most well off indivuals struggling with mental health disorders can suffer for decades before recieving the correct treatment. What are those without the means to pay for expensive psychiatrists and medications to do. How does out society address those who don't even aknowledge that they are sick?
How do we start to build community pride? Say what you will about Father Michael Pfleger but he has managed to make a comminty proud of itself. Teaching residants that this is not the way it has to be, that they can make a difference and improve their community is something that people don't even know is possible. Hopelessness is a terrible and destructive condition.
This is a very large problem, that does not have a simple solution.Adding police to high profile areas is putting a bandaid on the situation.
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