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Anne,
What day/time of day was the mob in described article? I agree there have been issues, but the one descrived by the writer would have to have been noticed by a fellow chainlinker. As a regular user of the LFP, I'm sure even if I wasn't there for this storm, I would have noticed it brewing.
Don't get me wrong, a mob of 10 youths beating people up is BAD. It just looks like this article is maybe overblown?
In response to in it to win it, unfortunately, the article is not overblown. The incidents described in the message passed along via Evanston Bike Club and the news articles happened Friday 6/3 thru yesterday (Sunday 6/5). This incidents can pop up very quickly and dissipate quickly. One incident might be 8-10 thugs. Another might be dozens or hundreds.
I'm not sure about the time of day of the Friday incident, but from the accounts I've been hearing from police officers (directly and via Second City Cop), I'd guess that it was afternoon or evening. If you were there 1/2 hour earlier or later, you might have missed it entirely.
Until the last 2 years, there weren't frequent incidents like this in Streeterville or on this section of the lakefront. They've become an increasingly regular occurrence, and they're unpredictable.
OK, I'm in.
Solution(s)?
I don't like the idea of giving in because of these aholes.
Will mayor/chief of police give an audience?
OK, I'm in.
Solution(s)?
I don't like the idea of giving in because of these aholes.
Will mayor/chief of police give an audience?
Moving my opinion from Shay's note to here:
I don't agree with passing laws for police to declare illegal gatherings, no thanks on that one.
in it to win it,
Here's a start:
http://www.thechainlink.org/events/mayors-bicycle-advisory-5
Notice the description is "Quarterly meeting of groups that effect Chicago bicycle legislation, planning and safety." (italics mine)
in it to win it said:
OK, I'm in.
Solution(s)?
I don't like the idea of giving in because of these aholes.
Will mayor/chief of police give an audience?
I have no particular confidence in the awesome crime fighting powers of CPD. I do have confidence in the awesome ability of urban politicians to drop the hammer when black teenagers threaten rich people. By all means people should keep their wits about them, steer clear of groups of dozens of surly teenagers and get in touch with their aldermen about this, but I would happily take the wrong side of 3-1 odds that there will be no significant year-over-year increase in crime in Streeterville and River North this summer.
Illegal gatherings laws won't work, by the way. Stop-and-frisk is pretty effective.
Joe Schmoe said:
CPD is like 3,500 officers short of full strength, with less than 100 cadets in the academy. Wildings and Flash mobs have been common in Streeterville and River North for 2 years now. There were 4 random attacks on people in River North on Saturday night alone. Jody Weiss turned over a CPD officer to an FBI civil rights commision when he was commish a few years back (Bill Cozzi), and ever since the cops are reticent to put their foot down and actively police. They pretty much just come when they're called now, they don't try to pro-actively break anything up. Where did this sudden awe of the crime-fighting power of the CPD suddenly come from?
I saw that article too. Also, East Lakeview has some kids macing their victims then mugging them.
So, do we bikers carry mace or some other protection? Would you mount it to your frame for quick access?
Any other ideas?
Serge Lubomudrov said:I believe this story in the today's Trib is related to this conversation.
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