US Citizen Is On CIA Assassination List

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US Confirms: Citizen Is on CIA Assassination List

New Mexico Cleric Awlaki May Be Killed With Impunity, Officials Insist

New Mexico-born Muslim cleric Anwar al-Awlaki has officially become the first American citizen confirmed to be on the CIA’s assassination list, and officials for the Obama Administration insist he can be killed with impunity by the CIA or the military.

The move comes just two months after National Intelligence Director Dennis Blair informed the House of Representatives that the Obama Administration had reserved for itself the right to kill American citizens overseas as part of a “defined policy...

http://news.antiwar.com/2010/04/07/us-confirms-citizen-is-on-cia-as...

Already the statists at the National Review are defending the policy, http://bit.ly/abGwZd, and the Totalitarian state gets just a the much closer.

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Permalink Reply by Kevin C Dormant on April 8, 2010 at 10:08am

Why is this on the chainlink?

Is it because the CIA dossier includes photographs of Anwar al-Awlaki riding a bike?
Is it because the Pentagon possesses classified drone footage of Anwar al-Awlaki participating in Critical Mass?
Is it because American foreign policy in the Middle East is inextricably linked to oil resources, and anyone or anything connected to Al Qaeda is another reminder of that failed US energy policy, all of which could be ameliorated by more people riding bikes?
Is it because this is an issue which should be of pressing concern to all carbon-based life forms and the members of the chainlink are (mostly) all carbon-based life forms?

I have some very strong opinions about many of the issues raised in the video as well as US foreign policy in general. While I don't always agree with Spencer's inferences, I respect his passion and energy for what, at times, seem to be broad-ranging and disparate issues. I simply don't think this is the appropriate forum.

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Permalink Reply by Spencer "Thunderball" Thayer! on April 8, 2010 at 10:20am

Kevin, I don't see any reason why it isn't appropriate. This is after all under the category of General Discussion. When you're at a Chainlink bar night do you interrupt conversations when they stray form bike related topics? If the goal is to make the Chainlink into a community then broader topics applicable to everyone must be explored. Otherwise the Chainlink is no different than bikeforums.net.

Moreover, there is a significantly large number of politically active people in the Chicago bike community than I think you are aware.

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Permalink Reply by Kevin C Dormant on April 8, 2010 at 10:25am

So it's the "carbon-based" life form option. Just checking.

Spencer "Thunderball" Thayer! said:

Kevin, I don't see any reason why it isn't appropriate. This is after all under the category of General Discussion. When you're at a Chainlink bar night do you interrupt conversations when they stray form bike related topics? If the goal is to make the Chainlink into a community then broader topics applicable to everyone must be explored. Otherwise the Chainlink is no different than bikeforums.net.

Moreover, there is a significantly large number of politically active people in the Chicago bike community than I think you are aware.

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Permalink Reply by Ali on April 8, 2010 at 10:32am

So what? We have to fight these bastards in an unconventional way, perhaps learn from others' examples. Take a look at MOSSAD for example, PLO bombs a bus, MOSSAD bombs 3, PLO bombs a school, MOSSAD in turn bombs 5...Sometimes you just have to throw out the book and fight these assholes unconventionally...I am sorry but I am all for the constitution and what it stands for except in these matters there needs to be an exception made...You take out a few of these guys and they will think twice about operating in such a way...

-Ali

Spencer "Thunderball" Thayer! said:

You realize this violates the constitution right?

Ali said:
He may be an American citizen, but he still deserves what is coming his way...

-Ali

Spencer "Thunderball" Thayer! said:
You you realize he is an American right?

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Permalink Reply by Spencer "Thunderball" Thayer! on April 8, 2010 at 11:29am

Ali, "So what?" Because if we as citizens allow this - then with a stroke of a pen the President can kill anyone without any of our constitutional protections. Thus completely bypassing what little rights we as American's have provided to us by the Constitution and Bill of Rights.The separation of powers constructed during the foundation of America will be utterly without meaning. AND this is exactly the kind of power the Monarchies of Europe possessed that so disgusted the founders that we had a revolution.

That's what.

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Permalink Reply by Ali on April 8, 2010 at 12:35pm

OK let me educate you on how these people think, maybe I can just put some sense into your jaded way of looking at things...I am originally from the region and am very familiar with threat of terrorism...Best way to fight these bastards are terrorize them back, and make them realize that attacking USA will be retaliated in a similar and more severe way...They bomb a plane, we shoot down three, they bomb a classroom, we take out a school, sooner or later they will get it, negative reinforcement; eventhough it is somewhat cruel, it works!

Terrorist organizations are selfish, they prey upon the uneducated people and hide behind religion and how it empowers them to fight against the "infidels". Funny thing is that the one book they actually care to pick-up and read which Quran, they misinterpret it.

PKK which operates mostly in eastern Turkey, is a Kurdish faction which is fighting to establish a homeland for the Kurdish people...Sounds good, until you look at their methods...They will raid isolated towns, kill off all the teachers, and kidnap the children to brainwash them into their way of thinking...They kill the teachers because they know an uneducated person is easier to manipulate than an educated one...So back in the 90's the president of the Turkey sat down the militant leader and said "Let's figure out a way to co-exist, what do you want?" The reply was practically 60% of the country...Which is obviously an impossible request and gets shot down. PKK also bombs buses, schools, mosques, and assassinate free thinkers...

Conventional military operations fail against terrorist organizations for a number of reasons...And the war in Iraq, and Afghanistan is stupid at best. There will always instability in that region, rather than trying to help them I say pull out, and let them kill each other...Just leave a few carrier groups in the region in order to retaliate...Fight the terrorism here at home, catch the bastards while they are in the planning stages, make an example out of the first few via a military tribunal as they consider themselves a soldier of Allah, then try them as soldiers...After a dozen or so of these crackheads are executed they will start thinking twice about planning to strap a explosive vest to themselves...

-Ali

Spencer "Thunderball" Thayer! said:

Ali, "So what?" Because if we as citizens allow this - then with a stroke of a pen the President can kill anyone without any of our constitutional protections. Thus completely bypassing what little rights we as American's have provided to us by the Constitution and Bill of Rights.The separation of powers constructed during the foundation of America will be utterly without meaning. AND this is exactly the kind of power the Monarchies of Europe possessed that so disgusted the founders that we had a revolution.

That's what.

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Permalink Reply by mike w. on April 8, 2010 at 12:47pm

Oh, yeah.

So, how's that been working out for Israel over the years?

Years of beating each other's brains out tends to leave no one but the brainless around.

Dunno about you, but i respect the Constitution and the Rule of Law. If this country abandons those principles -as it seems to have been doing- officially once and for all, then my friend, the terrorists have won.

Ali said:

OK let me educate you on how these people think, maybe I can just put some sense into your jaded way of looking at things...I am originally from the region and am very familiar with threat of terrorism...Best way to fight these bastards are terrorize them back...

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Permalink Reply by Craig S. on April 8, 2010 at 12:52pm

Ali,

I doubt you'll find many people that disagree with the context of what you're saying, however, what you're espousing is a direct violation of our Constitution when it comes to assassination of an American citizen. When you espouse violating the Constitution for one case, how about another? Where do those violations stop? Our government and system of laws are messy by design; they're meant to protect not only ourselves but others that we disagree with.

I do find this statement a bit profound as it describes our contemporary mainstream political/religious institutions and movements, "Terrorist organizations are selfish, they prey upon the uneducated people and hide behind religion and how it empowers them to fight against the "infidels". Funny thing is that the one book they actually care to pick-up and read which Quran, they misinterpret it." The Sheeple of the United States are easily manipulated through fear.