What Happened to "[Passing] on Your Left"? . . . - The Chainlink2024-03-29T13:31:21Zhttps://thechainlink.org/forum/topics/what-happened-to-passing-on-your-left?commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A712072&feed=yes&xn_auth=nojolondon30 said:
My own view…tag:thechainlink.org,2013-06-26:2211490:Comment:7123222013-06-26T14:48:20.747ZAdam Hersteinhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/AdamHerstein
<p>jolondon30 said:</p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/what-happened-to-passing-on-your-left?commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A712072&xg_source=msg_com_forum#2211490Comment712072"><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>My own view is that running on a softer surface is better for the knees but I don't believe there is <strong>hard</strong> data to back that up.…</p>
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<p>jolondon30 said:</p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/what-happened-to-passing-on-your-left?commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A712072&xg_source=msg_com_forum#2211490Comment712072"><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>My own view is that running on a softer surface is better for the knees but I don't believe there is <strong>hard</strong> data to back that up.</p>
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<p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130312005204/walkingdead/images/4/42/I-See-What-You-Did-There..png" target="_blank"><img src="http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130312005204/walkingdead/images/4/42/I-See-What-You-Did-There..png" class="align-full"/></a></p> btw most of the lake front pa…tag:thechainlink.org,2013-06-26:2211490:Comment:7120722013-06-26T14:46:58.505ZJosh L.https://thechainlink.org/profile/jolondon30
<p>btw most of the lake front path north of North Ave. has a dirt path that runs next to the paved path. There's little chance of being hit by a bike on that path so it would be "more relaxing" to use your terminology.</p>
<p>North of Lawrence that path in fact gets quite wide and is very comfortable to ride on.</p>
<p>My own view is that running on a softer surface is better for the knees but I don't believe there is hard data to back that up.</p>
<p>btw most of the lake front path north of North Ave. has a dirt path that runs next to the paved path. There's little chance of being hit by a bike on that path so it would be "more relaxing" to use your terminology.</p>
<p>North of Lawrence that path in fact gets quite wide and is very comfortable to ride on.</p>
<p>My own view is that running on a softer surface is better for the knees but I don't believe there is hard data to back that up.</p> I was jogging this morning fr…tag:thechainlink.org,2013-06-26:2211490:Comment:7120632013-06-26T01:53:19.916ZPeter G.https://thechainlink.org/profile/PeterGillette
<p>I was jogging this morning from the north-end of the LFP to Montrose and back. After having cycled it for the past few weeks, I decided to take the beachside walking paths path, not always contiguous, from Hollywood South (and vice versa).</p>
<p>Turns out it really is relaxing to be in a cycle-free space, and when it ends, well, running on the sand or grass never killed anyone. How hard would it be to mark these "scenic" routes? I know this wouldn't work on a beach Saturday or whatever, but…</p>
<p>I was jogging this morning from the north-end of the LFP to Montrose and back. After having cycled it for the past few weeks, I decided to take the beachside walking paths path, not always contiguous, from Hollywood South (and vice versa).</p>
<p>Turns out it really is relaxing to be in a cycle-free space, and when it ends, well, running on the sand or grass never killed anyone. How hard would it be to mark these "scenic" routes? I know this wouldn't work on a beach Saturday or whatever, but the infrastructure exists most places to split run-walkers and cyclists up. Except for North Beach/oak street/etc.</p> In a related query, why are m…tag:thechainlink.org,2013-06-19:2211490:Comment:7089542013-06-19T01:23:26.995ZSteve Weekshttps://thechainlink.org/profile/SteveWeeksDDS
<p>In a related query, why are many (maybe most) cyclists not announcing their intention to pass another cyclist in close proximity and/or at high speed? Every day I commute into Chicago, and every day another cyclist zips right up on my left, sometimes on the right, without so much as a word. Are we not on the same "team"? Luckily, I have a rear-view mirror and usually see them coming, but if I were to waver a little, there could be trouble.</p>
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<p>In a related query, why are many (maybe most) cyclists not announcing their intention to pass another cyclist in close proximity and/or at high speed? Every day I commute into Chicago, and every day another cyclist zips right up on my left, sometimes on the right, without so much as a word. Are we not on the same "team"? Luckily, I have a rear-view mirror and usually see them coming, but if I were to waver a little, there could be trouble.</p>
<p>Steve</p> +1 jolondon30 said:
For thos…tag:thechainlink.org,2013-06-18:2211490:Comment:7087812013-06-18T15:05:40.605ZShaun Jacobsenhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/ShaunJacobsen
<p>+1<br></br> <br></br> <cite>jolondon30 said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/what-happened-to-passing-on-your-left?id=2211490%3ATopic%3A704853&page=6#2211490Comment707547"><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>For those of you biking on the LPF, this is NOT the place to bike fast. You will just have to accept the fact that the LFP is filled with tourists, high school kids, strollers, etc. - they just aren't looking out for bikes much of the time. Thus, you…</p>
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<p>+1<br/> <br/> <cite>jolondon30 said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/what-happened-to-passing-on-your-left?id=2211490%3ATopic%3A704853&page=6#2211490Comment707547"><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>For those of you biking on the LPF, this is NOT the place to bike fast. You will just have to accept the fact that the LFP is filled with tourists, high school kids, strollers, etc. - they just aren't looking out for bikes much of the time. Thus, you always have to defer to the walkers/runners. If you want to do high speed biking, try some of the suburban routes. City riding - and I say this as someone who bikes the LFP every day - is not designed for high speed travel. </p>
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Naomi Ruth Jackson s…tag:thechainlink.org,2013-06-18:2211490:Comment:7085362013-06-18T03:35:17.680ZSonny Sherwoodhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/SonnySherwood
<p>Agreed</p>
<p><br></br> <br></br> <cite>Naomi Ruth Jackson said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/what-happened-to-passing-on-your-left?utm_source=14+June+2013&utm_campaign=14June13&utm_medium=email#2211490Comment705109"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Most joggers I've seen run pretty predictably and avoid swaying into main traffic. I try to save my stage voice for the unpredictable pedestrians on LST such as: high schoolers, people with…</p>
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<p>Agreed</p>
<p><br/> <br/> <cite>Naomi Ruth Jackson said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/what-happened-to-passing-on-your-left?utm_source=14+June+2013&utm_campaign=14June13&utm_medium=email#2211490Comment705109"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Most joggers I've seen run pretty predictably and avoid swaying into main traffic. I try to save my stage voice for the unpredictable pedestrians on LST such as: high schoolers, people with children/dogs, and people on skates. </p>
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</blockquote> Like Serge I am both a runner…tag:thechainlink.org,2013-06-15:2211490:Comment:7075472013-06-15T23:46:16.475ZJosh L.https://thechainlink.org/profile/jolondon30
<p>Like Serge I am both a runner and a biker.</p>
<p>I have agonized over this issue too as sometimes I feel it is better to say nothing so they don't get more anxious. I would say about half the time - depending on how much other traffic there is, I say "passing on the left."</p>
<p>The LFP is getting out of hand; we need to have separate bike and jogging paths. In most places the space exists it seems to me.</p>
<p>For those of you biking on the LPF, this is NOT the place to bike fast. You…</p>
<p>Like Serge I am both a runner and a biker.</p>
<p>I have agonized over this issue too as sometimes I feel it is better to say nothing so they don't get more anxious. I would say about half the time - depending on how much other traffic there is, I say "passing on the left."</p>
<p>The LFP is getting out of hand; we need to have separate bike and jogging paths. In most places the space exists it seems to me.</p>
<p>For those of you biking on the LPF, this is NOT the place to bike fast. You will just have to accept the fact that the LFP is filled with tourists, high school kids, strollers, etc. - they just aren't looking out for bikes much of the time. Thus, you always have to defer to the walkers/runners. If you want to do high speed biking, try some of the suburban routes. City riding - and I say this as someone who bikes the LFP every day - is not designed for high speed travel. </p> I noticed so many more people…tag:thechainlink.org,2013-06-15:2211490:Comment:7076052013-06-15T16:53:21.456ZDovah Cathttps://thechainlink.org/profile/DovahCat
<p>I noticed so many more people kindly saying "on your left" this morning (myself included) on the LFP. Maybe the drizzle made folks that much more polite, but I like to think The Chainlink gets a lot more readers than we think. :) </p>
<p>I noticed so many more people kindly saying "on your left" this morning (myself included) on the LFP. Maybe the drizzle made folks that much more polite, but I like to think The Chainlink gets a lot more readers than we think. :) </p> Motorized vehicles generally…tag:thechainlink.org,2013-06-14:2211490:Comment:7071662013-06-14T21:17:55.360ZDavid Barishhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/DavidBarish
<p>Motorized vehicles generally do not have the ability to modulate their sound. That would be a great thing. You could have a hard and soft beep. It would be cool if the pressure you put on the horn effected the volume. Soft push for "hey buddy just letting you know there is a car on your left: and harder push for "oh my God I don't think you saw that little kid who is about to cross the street." Of course, we would have to give drivers music lessons and few of them would have the requisite…</p>
<p>Motorized vehicles generally do not have the ability to modulate their sound. That would be a great thing. You could have a hard and soft beep. It would be cool if the pressure you put on the horn effected the volume. Soft push for "hey buddy just letting you know there is a car on your left: and harder push for "oh my God I don't think you saw that little kid who is about to cross the street." Of course, we would have to give drivers music lessons and few of them would have the requisite skill. </p>
<p>On the bike, we do it all the time. I have a whistle, a call and a war whoop depending on the situation. I also have a bike bell. The bell is perfect for a "passing on your left" situation. Its not aggressive but its discernible. You want to be heard but there is no need to use a nuclear weapon (ie.airr horn) in such situations. This way we can minimize the startle while continuing to announce our attention. As to the noise cancelling headphones- I have commented on other threads about cyclists using them. The best I can say is its all a part of natural selection. That gene may not live to breed. If you are walking or running with phones they should allow some environment in and you should not monopolize the lane. We will do our best to avoid you and give you every bit of consideration. Those who survive you will never believe us.</p>
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<p>Back to the thread-- announcing our intention is what this is about. Its a good thing to let people know what you are doing so they can make a decision about what they will do. <br/> <cite>blair said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/what-happened-to-passing-on-your-left?x=1&id=2211490%3ATopic%3A704853&page=4#2211490Comment706072"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Wait - honking at a biker is forbidden/illegal?<br/> <br/> <cite>Shawn M said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/what-happened-to-passing-on-your-left?page=4&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A706122&x=1#2211490Comment706122"><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>If honking a car horn at a biker is forbidden because it may startle them, so should be yelling at them.</p>
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</blockquote> I've been thinking about this…tag:thechainlink.org,2013-06-14:2211490:Comment:7072562013-06-14T20:12:52.536ZCharlie Short 2.9https://thechainlink.org/profile/CharlieShort
<p>I've been thinking about this thread and what I actually do when I'm on the trail. I absolutely say "on your left" to every cyclist I pass. I also slow down before I pass them, so it's a lot easier for folks to hear me, and then I don't have to shout (I can also see if they have headphones.) It seems to work pretty well.</p>
<p>When it comes to to pedestrians, well, there's no good rule for anyone. I read an earlier comment that said that joggers and/or runners are well behaved. That's true…</p>
<p>I've been thinking about this thread and what I actually do when I'm on the trail. I absolutely say "on your left" to every cyclist I pass. I also slow down before I pass them, so it's a lot easier for folks to hear me, and then I don't have to shout (I can also see if they have headphones.) It seems to work pretty well.</p>
<p>When it comes to to pedestrians, well, there's no good rule for anyone. I read an earlier comment that said that joggers and/or runners are well behaved. That's true for what I believe to be the population of runners that are experienced and use the trail all the time. At peak, those folks make up only a small percentage of the trail, and are themselves put in a position where they are forced into traffic or off the trail.</p>
<p>As far as what I do, it comes down to calling out when I think my or someone else's safety is in danger. There's not much more you can do. Ride predictably and keep to the right when you can and set an example for other folks.</p>