Ugh. Cyclist robbed and mugged on the 606 Bloomingdale 2/19/2016 - The Chainlink2024-03-29T09:12:51Zhttps://thechainlink.org/forum/topics/ugh-cyclist-robbed-and-mugged-on-the-606-bloomingdale-friday?commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A971233&feed=yes&xn_auth=noYes please! Here's to hoping…tag:thechainlink.org,2016-03-14:2211490:Comment:9745482016-03-14T18:32:35.129ZYasmeenhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/YasmeenSchuller
<p>Yes please! Here's to hoping Active Trans launches this soon. With upcoming warmer months, there will be more people wanting to use the 606 at all hours. Not really a park.</p>
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<p>New article on Streetsblog Chicago, "Active Trans May Launch a Petition Drive to Keep The 606 Open 24/7"…</p>
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<p>Yes please! Here's to hoping Active Trans launches this soon. With upcoming warmer months, there will be more people wanting to use the 606 at all hours. Not really a park.</p>
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<p>New article on Streetsblog Chicago, "Active Trans May Launch a Petition Drive to Keep The 606 Open 24/7"</p>
<p><a href="http://chi.streetsblog.org/2016/03/14/active-trans-may-launch-a-petition-drive-to-keep-the-606-open-247/" target="_blank">http://chi.streetsblog.org/2016/03/14/active-trans-may-launch-a-petition-drive-to-keep-the-606-open-247/</a></p> It is a 24/7 trail: http://ww…tag:thechainlink.org,2016-03-10:2211490:Comment:9736592016-03-10T14:45:33.025ZIrvin Steinerthttps://thechainlink.org/profile/IrvinSteinert
<p>It <em><strong>is</strong></em> a 24/7 trail: <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/300209877/CPD-Code-Chpt-7-3" target="_blank">http://www.scribd.com/doc/300209877/CPD-Code-Chpt-7-3</a></p>
<p><span class="a" style="left: 1039px; top: 2101px;">B.2.a. persons and vehicles may pass through such parks without stopping on the more</span> <span class="a" style="left: 1061px; top: 2203px; word-spacing: 3px;">direct walk or driveway leading from their point of entrance to the exit nearest to…</span></p>
<p>It <em><strong>is</strong></em> a 24/7 trail: <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/300209877/CPD-Code-Chpt-7-3" target="_blank">http://www.scribd.com/doc/300209877/CPD-Code-Chpt-7-3</a></p>
<p><span class="a" style="left: 1039px; top: 2101px;">B.2.a. persons and vehicles may pass through such parks without stopping on the more</span> <span class="a" style="left: 1061px; top: 2203px; word-spacing: 3px;">direct walk or driveway leading from their point of entrance to the exit nearest to</span> <span class="a" style="left: 1061px; top: 2305px; word-spacing: -1px;">their point of destination</span></p>
<p><span class="a" style="left: 1061px; top: 2305px; word-spacing: -1px;">That means you can ride through legally; just don't linger or "run laps".</span></p> I think there are a few issue…tag:thechainlink.org,2016-03-08:2211490:Comment:9736022016-03-08T18:46:14.427ZYasmeenhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/YasmeenSchuller
<p>I think there are a few issues here being discussed and I don't think anyone is blaming victims.</p>
<p><strong>How do we keep ourselves safe now?</strong> Avoiding the 606 especially when alone may be the only option given the recent muggings occurring on the trail. </p>
<p><strong>How do we fix this route for the future?</strong> All parties need to agree to a 24/7 trail and patrol it to make it more safe. That said, given the length and the layout, anyone using the trail during late night…</p>
<p>I think there are a few issues here being discussed and I don't think anyone is blaming victims.</p>
<p><strong>How do we keep ourselves safe now?</strong> Avoiding the 606 especially when alone may be the only option given the recent muggings occurring on the trail. </p>
<p><strong>How do we fix this route for the future?</strong> All parties need to agree to a 24/7 trail and patrol it to make it more safe. That said, given the length and the layout, anyone using the trail during late night hours needs to be careful when riding on it. I'm not convinced even with regular patrols it will be 100% safe. </p> If I suggest that someone not…tag:thechainlink.org,2016-03-08:2211490:Comment:9735192016-03-08T18:12:37.074Zadhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/AdrianRohrer
<p>If I suggest that someone not walk around solo late at night while drunk texting on their phone in order to avoid making themselves a more attractive target for a robbery in a major City, is that impermissible "victim blaming" as well? In my mind, it's never a victim's fault when someone else victimizes them, but that doesn't mean we can't discuss whether people should take steps to make themselves safer when they move about a City that has a known, verifiable high-crime level in areas. I…</p>
<p>If I suggest that someone not walk around solo late at night while drunk texting on their phone in order to avoid making themselves a more attractive target for a robbery in a major City, is that impermissible "victim blaming" as well? In my mind, it's never a victim's fault when someone else victimizes them, but that doesn't mean we can't discuss whether people should take steps to make themselves safer when they move about a City that has a known, verifiable high-crime level in areas. I ride in the City at all hours of night, through many neighborhoods that people consider "bad," but that doesn't mean I consider every route "safe." </p>
<p>Right now, with four confirmed robberies having occurred involving cyclists on the trail, and the design (narrow, easily-blocked width, with limited access points) being a huge factor in how those robberies occur, I think it's completely fair to ask people to weigh the relative safety of traveling on it late night solo. </p>
<p>That's just me, though. </p> You also need to weigh those…tag:thechainlink.org,2016-03-08:2211490:Comment:9735132016-03-08T17:35:58.091ZDavid Altenburghttps://thechainlink.org/profile/DavidAltenburg
<p>You also need to weigh those considerations against the alternatives. North Ave to the south is practically a freeway. Armitage to the north is a little better if you can avoid the drunks late at night. And it's been a hotspot for gang crime as well. <br/><br/>Ultimately, the end-game of blaming crime victims for not having enough "street smarts" is a hollowed-out city because everyone is too scared to venture outside.</p>
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<p>You also need to weigh those considerations against the alternatives. North Ave to the south is practically a freeway. Armitage to the north is a little better if you can avoid the drunks late at night. And it's been a hotspot for gang crime as well. <br/><br/>Ultimately, the end-game of blaming crime victims for not having enough "street smarts" is a hollowed-out city because everyone is too scared to venture outside.</p>
<p></p> I agree it should be open 24/…tag:thechainlink.org,2016-03-08:2211490:Comment:9735102016-03-08T16:37:24.035Zadhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/AdrianRohrer
<p>I agree it should be open 24/7, and it should be patrolled better, BUT cyclists also need to exercise a little street smarts when using it late at night. The trail is narrow with few exit points, meaning that a rather small group of three people can pretty easily block the width of the trail and attack a cyclist. </p>
<p>Routine patrols can help, but there's going to be stretches (especially late night but before 11 pm) where groups are going to be up there legally with little the cops can…</p>
<p>I agree it should be open 24/7, and it should be patrolled better, BUT cyclists also need to exercise a little street smarts when using it late at night. The trail is narrow with few exit points, meaning that a rather small group of three people can pretty easily block the width of the trail and attack a cyclist. </p>
<p>Routine patrols can help, but there's going to be stretches (especially late night but before 11 pm) where groups are going to be up there legally with little the cops can do. How can you tell who's just using it, and who intends to commit a crime, outside of the groups acting outrageously and obviously up to no good? </p>
<p>If you're a solo cyclist late night, I think you owe it to yourself to consider whether the trail is the safest stretch to be traveling on, and at a minimum a cyclist needs to be prepared as to how to get off quickly if their spider sense starts to tingle and a group up ahead looks like they're up to no good. </p> It doesn't seem like anyone c…tag:thechainlink.org,2016-03-08:2211490:Comment:9735022016-03-08T15:59:37.566ZYasmeenhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/YasmeenSchuller
<p>It doesn't seem like anyone can agree with usage of the trail. Considering the cost of the trail and the need for more safe options for cyclists, it makes sense to have the trail open 24/7 and patrolled to ensure the safety of those that use it. </p>
<p>It doesn't seem like anyone can agree with usage of the trail. Considering the cost of the trail and the need for more safe options for cyclists, it makes sense to have the trail open 24/7 and patrolled to ensure the safety of those that use it. </p> Another DNAinfo article about…tag:thechainlink.org,2016-03-08:2211490:Comment:9733672016-03-08T14:46:51.774ZYasmeenhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/YasmeenSchuller
<p>Another DNAinfo article about the 606 - a few excerpts:</p>
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<p><em>It also goes against Chicago Park District rules that say parks close down at 11 p.m., but people can cut through them for transportation purposes — as long as they don't stop.</em></p>
<p><em>And therein lies a rub: police say the Bloomingdale Trail (the elevated trail that's the centerpiece of The 606) is city property and not subject to that Park District clause. But the Trust For Public Land, the city's…</em></p>
<p>Another DNAinfo article about the 606 - a few excerpts:</p>
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<p><em>It also goes against Chicago Park District rules that say parks close down at 11 p.m., but people can cut through them for transportation purposes — as long as they don't stop.</em></p>
<p><em>And therein lies a rub: police say the Bloomingdale Trail (the elevated trail that's the centerpiece of The 606) is city property and not subject to that Park District clause. But the Trust For Public Land, the city's public/private partner that manages The 606, disagrees, saying that the "travel through" exemption applies.</em></p>
<p><em>The Chicago Police department<a href="https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20160305/logan-square/police-warn-of-late-night-robberies-along-606-last-2-weeks" target="_self"> issued a community alert warning </a>of robberies along the trail Saturday after they said three people had been robbed along The 606 since Feb. 19.</em></p>
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<p><em>The commander said the five parks alongside the trail are Chicago Park District parks, but the trail is not. </em></p>
<p><em>A spokesperson for the Trust For Public Land disagreed.</em></p>
<p><em>As of now, cutting through after hours is allowed "only without stopping, and only if the park provides a direct route from current location to destination. Once the park closes, people are not allowed to congregate, walk dogs, or engage in other activities," according to Alka Nayyar, a spokeswoman for the Trust For Public Land.</em></p>
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<p><a href="https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20160308/logan-square/is-606-legally-open-late-night-biking-police-say-no-bikers-say-yes" target="_blank">Full article on DNAinfo.</a></p>
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<p></p> https://www.dnainfo.com/chica…tag:thechainlink.org,2016-03-07:2211490:Comment:9734262016-03-07T18:37:29.673ZTom A.K.https://thechainlink.org/profile/TomKrystyn
<a href="https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20160305/logan-square/police-warn-of-late-night-robberies-along-606-last-2-weeks" target="_blank">https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20160305/logan-square/police-warn-of-late-night-robberies-along-606-last-2-weeks</a><br />
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Anyone with any useful information should call 312-744-8263
<a href="https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20160305/logan-square/police-warn-of-late-night-robberies-along-606-last-2-weeks" target="_blank">https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20160305/logan-square/police-warn-of-late-night-robberies-along-606-last-2-weeks</a><br />
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Anyone with any useful information should call 312-744-8263 I'm guessing we may soon need…tag:thechainlink.org,2016-03-06:2211490:Comment:9733252016-03-06T19:36:08.645ZTom A.K.https://thechainlink.org/profile/TomKrystyn
I'm guessing we may soon need to get the Guardian Angels/Chicago to patrol up on the 6O6.
I'm guessing we may soon need to get the Guardian Angels/Chicago to patrol up on the 6O6.