Tipping Bike Mechanics? - The Chainlink2024-03-29T06:12:11Zhttps://thechainlink.org/forum/topics/tipping-bike-mechanics?commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A339716&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noPaul, I hope you didn't read…tag:thechainlink.org,2011-05-21:2211490:Comment:3397162011-05-21T05:01:38.883ZFar'arned Retrogrumpalunkus #63https://thechainlink.org/profile/JamesBlackHeron
<p>Paul, I hope you didn't read that I am in opposition to tipping -I'm not. I was in opposition to anyone who said I could NOT tip. I'll tip or not tip as I feel fit (even over-tip sometimes because that's my choice.) And I'll fight for anyone else's right to do the same and to enter into mutualy-agreed-upon contracts in exchange for labor and or other value at what ever rates they wish without outside interference from governmental, pseudo-governmental, or guild bosses telling them it is…</p>
<p>Paul, I hope you didn't read that I am in opposition to tipping -I'm not. I was in opposition to anyone who said I could NOT tip. I'll tip or not tip as I feel fit (even over-tip sometimes because that's my choice.) And I'll fight for anyone else's right to do the same and to enter into mutualy-agreed-upon contracts in exchange for labor and or other value at what ever rates they wish without outside interference from governmental, pseudo-governmental, or guild bosses telling them it is for too little or too much. </p>
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<p>As an espouser of the true Free Market how could I expect any less?<br/> <br/>
<cite>Paul Fitz, Scrabblor said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/tipping-bike-mechanics?commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A339712&xg_source=msg_com_forum#2211490Comment339712"><div><p>I like that this became a debate of austrian economics and whether or not people have free will in the workforce. I'm a bike mechanic and I enjoy when people tip me. I also love what I do and am more dependent on steady business to make an hourly wage. </p>
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<p>If you can't tip or do not feel like it, that's fine. It isn't expected. As for standards, I'd say 80-90% of folks do not tip and those that do generally give in the $2-10 range although beer and food do seem to be acceptable to many mechanics. </p>
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<p>James, while you're welcome at any bike shop, I hope that your opposition to tipping keeps you out of restaurants.</p>
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</blockquote> I like that this became a deb…tag:thechainlink.org,2011-05-21:2211490:Comment:3397122011-05-21T02:23:25.948ZPaul Fitz, Scrabblorhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/DJScrabblor
<p>I like that this became a debate of austrian economics and whether or not people have free will in the workforce. I'm a bike mechanic and I enjoy when people tip me. I also love what I do and am more dependent on steady business to make an hourly wage. </p>
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<p>If you can't tip or do not feel like it, that's fine. It isn't expected. As for standards, I'd say 80-90% of folks do not tip and those that do generally give in the $2-10 range although beer and food do seem to be…</p>
<p>I like that this became a debate of austrian economics and whether or not people have free will in the workforce. I'm a bike mechanic and I enjoy when people tip me. I also love what I do and am more dependent on steady business to make an hourly wage. </p>
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<p>If you can't tip or do not feel like it, that's fine. It isn't expected. As for standards, I'd say 80-90% of folks do not tip and those that do generally give in the $2-10 range although beer and food do seem to be acceptable to many mechanics. </p>
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<p>James, while you're welcome at any bike shop, I hope that your opposition to tipping keeps you out of restaurants.</p> I prefer to support the emplo…tag:thechainlink.org,2011-05-20:2211490:Comment:3395442011-05-20T23:54:14.400ZDoug Hayneshttps://thechainlink.org/profile/DougHaynes
I prefer to support the employees that work for places I can walk into and hold someone accountable.<br/>
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<cite>James Baum said:</cite><br />
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/tipping-bike-mechanics?page=4&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A339543&x=1#2211490Comment339543"><div>If you don't support your internet parts supplier they are going to go out of business and put good people out of work...</div>
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I prefer to support the employees that work for places I can walk into and hold someone accountable.<br/>
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<cite>James Baum said:</cite><br />
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/tipping-bike-mechanics?page=4&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A339543&x=1#2211490Comment339543"><div>If you don't support your internet parts supplier they are going to go out of business and put good people out of work...</div>
</blockquote> If you don't support your int…tag:thechainlink.org,2011-05-20:2211490:Comment:3395432011-05-20T23:36:29.196ZFar'arned Retrogrumpalunkus #63https://thechainlink.org/profile/JamesBlackHeron
If you don't support your internet parts supplier they are going to go out of business and put good people out of work...
If you don't support your internet parts supplier they are going to go out of business and put good people out of work... The Bicycling article hits on…tag:thechainlink.org,2011-05-20:2211490:Comment:3392472011-05-20T19:40:56.699ZDoug Hayneshttps://thechainlink.org/profile/DougHaynes
<p>The Bicycling article hits on an important point, one that is far more important to the mechanic at your LBS than tipping.</p>
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<p>Buy your parts at a LBS, The internet and great deals are a wonderful thing but they are not going to keep the doors of the bike shop that takes care of you when you have a problem open.</p>
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<p><cite>Bikefreeek said:…</cite></p>
<p>The Bicycling article hits on an important point, one that is far more important to the mechanic at your LBS than tipping.</p>
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<p>Buy your parts at a LBS, The internet and great deals are a wonderful thing but they are not going to keep the doors of the bike shop that takes care of you when you have a problem open.</p>
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<p><cite>Bikefreeek said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/tipping-bike-mechanics?page=4&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A339596&x=1#2211490Comment339596"><div><p>(Not that I subscribe, but) here's what Bicycling magazine has to say about <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.2009tourdefrancenews.com/article/0,6610,s1-5-33-12126-1,00.html">Bike Shop Etiquette</a>.</p>
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<p>I'd also like to add to the discussion that bike shops make very little money. When average markup on new bikes is only 40% you may come to appreciate that the folks who are working in the industry are doing it because they love bicycling and want to put more people on bikes. If you consider yourself a bike advocate or activist I would encourage you to help support those who actually keep people rolling on their bikes. They're working hard for little and love when people acknowledge it.</p>
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</blockquote> (Not that I subscribe, but) h…tag:thechainlink.org,2011-05-20:2211490:Comment:3395962011-05-20T14:47:32.767ZBikefreeekhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/AlexWilson
<p>(Not that I subscribe, but) here's what Bicycling magazine has to say about <a href="http://www.2009tourdefrancenews.com/article/0,6610,s1-5-33-12126-1,00.html" target="_blank">Bike Shop Etiquette</a>.</p>
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<p>I'd also like to add to the discussion that bike shops make very little money. When average markup on new bikes is only 40% you may come to appreciate that the folks who are working in the industry are doing it because they love bicycling and want to put more people on bikes.…</p>
<p>(Not that I subscribe, but) here's what Bicycling magazine has to say about <a target="_blank" href="http://www.2009tourdefrancenews.com/article/0,6610,s1-5-33-12126-1,00.html">Bike Shop Etiquette</a>.</p>
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<p>I'd also like to add to the discussion that bike shops make very little money. When average markup on new bikes is only 40% you may come to appreciate that the folks who are working in the industry are doing it because they love bicycling and want to put more people on bikes. If you consider yourself a bike advocate or activist I would encourage you to help support those who actually keep people rolling on their bikes. They're working hard for little and love when people acknowledge it.</p> To address the original quest…tag:thechainlink.org,2011-05-20:2211490:Comment:3392192011-05-20T03:41:15.036ZJhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/J
<p>To address the original question, (1) Chicagoland shops do generally tend to pay less than other big bike markets (2) There isn't the tipping culture here that you find elsewhere.</p>
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<p>The exception to (2) may be at the pro shops, where it's certainly more common. But still quite different than other cities... more like "here are a few extra bucks for doing a good job" as opposed to "here's an extra $100 for rushing this wheelbuild".</p>
<p>To address the original question, (1) Chicagoland shops do generally tend to pay less than other big bike markets (2) There isn't the tipping culture here that you find elsewhere.</p>
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<p>The exception to (2) may be at the pro shops, where it's certainly more common. But still quite different than other cities... more like "here are a few extra bucks for doing a good job" as opposed to "here's an extra $100 for rushing this wheelbuild".</p> Just want to point out re: th…tag:thechainlink.org,2011-05-20:2211490:Comment:3390332011-05-20T02:19:04.350ZDr. Doomhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/DrDoom
Just want to point out re: the minimum wage and the living wage that even Hayek and Friedman actually supported a minimum guaranteed income. I don't mean that as an appeal to authority, it is just a non-controversial point among everyone from Austrians to Marxists that it makes a lot of sense.
Just want to point out re: the minimum wage and the living wage that even Hayek and Friedman actually supported a minimum guaranteed income. I don't mean that as an appeal to authority, it is just a non-controversial point among everyone from Austrians to Marxists that it makes a lot of sense. I see there is no consensus h…tag:thechainlink.org,2011-05-20:2211490:Comment:3392062011-05-20T01:50:10.959Zmilesperhourhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/milesperhour
I see there is no consensus here either. : )<br/>
I see there is no consensus here either. : )<br/> Just don't tip the cop when h…tag:thechainlink.org,2011-05-19:2211490:Comment:3390252011-05-19T23:18:39.223ZFar'arned Retrogrumpalunkus #63https://thechainlink.org/profile/JamesBlackHeron
Just don't tip the cop when he writes you a ticket -they get touchy about that stuff...
Just don't tip the cop when he writes you a ticket -they get touchy about that stuff...