Think of this as a Missed Connection. - The Chainlink2024-03-28T15:10:47Zhttps://thechainlink.org/forum/topics/think-of-this-as-a-missed-connection?commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A709718&feed=yes&xn_auth=noCarter O'Brien is absolutely…tag:thechainlink.org,2019-09-13:2211490:Comment:11282752019-09-13T12:31:14.285Zketoguychicagohttps://thechainlink.org/profile/ketoguychicago
<p>Carter O'Brien is absolutely right, not only regarding the crossing guard situation but likewise in the broader context of which those rules are a part. </p>
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<p>Carter O'Brien is absolutely right, not only regarding the crossing guard situation but likewise in the broader context of which those rules are a part. </p>
<p></p> Agreed, there's no excuse for…tag:thechainlink.org,2019-09-11:2211490:Comment:11280542019-09-11T19:53:35.099ZYasmeenhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/YasmeenSchuller
<p>Agreed, there's no excuse for cutting through a crossing like that and putting pedestrians in harm's way. I was referring to a bigger picture comment. </p>
<p>Agreed, there's no excuse for cutting through a crossing like that and putting pedestrians in harm's way. I was referring to a bigger picture comment. </p> ^^^^this. It is 100% possibl…tag:thechainlink.org,2019-09-11:2211490:Comment:11281742019-09-11T19:05:29.474Zadhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/AdrianRohrer
<p>^^^^this. It is 100% possible to believe the City (and the country) lacks acceptable bicycle infrastructure and accommodations, get upset that drivers (and the general public) use cyclists' bad behavior to in part justify not making concessions on those points, BUT STILL get upset that cyclists do things like blow past a crossing guard in the middle of an intersection with a stop sign while kids are crossing. </p>
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<p>I don't buy into the driver narrative that any sort of bad…</p>
<p>^^^^this. It is 100% possible to believe the City (and the country) lacks acceptable bicycle infrastructure and accommodations, get upset that drivers (and the general public) use cyclists' bad behavior to in part justify not making concessions on those points, BUT STILL get upset that cyclists do things like blow past a crossing guard in the middle of an intersection with a stop sign while kids are crossing. </p>
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<p>I don't buy into the driver narrative that any sort of bad behavior by cyclists justifies not keeping cyclists safe, but I also do not buy into the counter-narrative that by calling out obvious bad behavior we see in the cyclist community as cyclists that we're feeding into the driver narrative. </p> In this case, cyclists have a…tag:thechainlink.org,2019-09-11:2211490:Comment:11281592019-09-11T18:01:20.923ZCarter O'Brienhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/CarterOBrien
<p>In this case, cyclists have actually been given bike lanes. There is absolutely no justifiable concerned-for-one's-safety reason for a cyclist to ever ignore a school crossing guard. You are supposed to stop, period.</p>
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<p>Obviously cars are the bigger concern - it's why the crossing guard is there in the first place - but this is nevertheless unsafe and bad for community relations behavior for cyclists. This all gets back to the larger issue - if we want to be treated as legitimate…</p>
<p>In this case, cyclists have actually been given bike lanes. There is absolutely no justifiable concerned-for-one's-safety reason for a cyclist to ever ignore a school crossing guard. You are supposed to stop, period.</p>
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<p>Obviously cars are the bigger concern - it's why the crossing guard is there in the first place - but this is nevertheless unsafe and bad for community relations behavior for cyclists. This all gets back to the larger issue - if we want to be treated as legitimate road users, we have to respect the most vulnerable other users. In this case, beyond the kids/parents it's also the poor crossing guard standing in a crosswalk in a neon vest holding a stop sign.</p>
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<p></p> yes, but that isn't a reason…tag:thechainlink.org,2019-09-11:2211490:Comment:11279672019-09-11T17:45:35.787ZYasmeenhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/YasmeenSchuller
<p>yes, but that isn't a reason to justify lacking in safe accommodations. I hear this pro-car argument all the time - oh, cyclists are law breakers. We are more likely to break the law to keep ourselves safe especially if we lack safe accommodations and protected bike lanes. OTH, motorists break laws out of impatience and distraction. And with so much of the population driving SUVs now and using their phones, I'm far more worried about them then one cyclist that blew a red (especially if they…</p>
<p>yes, but that isn't a reason to justify lacking in safe accommodations. I hear this pro-car argument all the time - oh, cyclists are law breakers. We are more likely to break the law to keep ourselves safe especially if we lack safe accommodations and protected bike lanes. OTH, motorists break laws out of impatience and distraction. And with so much of the population driving SUVs now and using their phones, I'm far more worried about them then one cyclist that blew a red (especially if they did it when the intersection was clear). p.s. We deserve safe accommodations NO MATTER WHAT. I would like a world where parents can ride and walk with their kids to school without worrying about dangerous speeding cars. This morning a few of the cyclists in the DC area had their kids brought to tears because of trucks and motorists speeding and breaking the 3-feet rule. <br/>footnote: I follow the laws 90% of the time and reserve the rest to keep me safe. </p> I agree. The same thing appli…tag:thechainlink.org,2019-09-11:2211490:Comment:11280532019-09-11T16:45:38.283ZSteve Weekshttps://thechainlink.org/profile/SteveWeeksDDS
<p>I agree. The same thing applies (IMO) when there are cars waiting at a red light and a cyclist goes right on through. What must they think of us?</p>
<p>I agree. The same thing applies (IMO) when there are cars waiting at a red light and a cyclist goes right on through. What must they think of us?</p> You: one of the all-too-regul…tag:thechainlink.org,2019-09-11:2211490:Comment:11279652019-09-11T15:36:32.290ZCarter O'Brienhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/CarterOBrien
<p>You: one of the all-too-regular Lincoln Ave. bike riders who weaves around the crossing guard stopping traffic by my kid's school at Lincoln & Cornelia. I am compelled to say something as this morning I couldn't help but notice your cluelessness extended to actually giving her a smile and a wave while you ignored her and the huge stop sign she was holding up.</p>
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<p>Maybe you've confused her smiling at you in the past with how she regularly shakes her head in disbelief at what a…</p>
<p>You: one of the all-too-regular Lincoln Ave. bike riders who weaves around the crossing guard stopping traffic by my kid's school at Lincoln & Cornelia. I am compelled to say something as this morning I couldn't help but notice your cluelessness extended to actually giving her a smile and a wave while you ignored her and the huge stop sign she was holding up.</p>
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<p>Maybe you've confused her smiling at you in the past with how she regularly shakes her head in disbelief at what a boor you and other terribly behaved cyclists are. But just in case anyone else here is unclear on the concept, when a school crossing guard is stopping traffic to allow kids and families to cross the street, this applies to cyclists as well. This makes us look <strong>terrible</strong> as a demographic.</p>
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<p></p> Time crossing such that "all…tag:thechainlink.org,2019-04-27:2211490:Comment:11215022019-04-27T18:35:54.056ZDavid S.https://thechainlink.org/profile/DavidS734
<p>Time crossing such that "all bikes cross at once". That is, e.g., on Grand Ave, three red lights (with crossing guards) come on at once.</p>
<p>Time crossing such that "all bikes cross at once". That is, e.g., on Grand Ave, three red lights (with crossing guards) come on at once.</p> In this example, create cros…tag:thechainlink.org,2019-04-27:2211490:Comment:11213022019-04-27T15:47:14.513ZDavid S.https://thechainlink.org/profile/DavidS734
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<p>In this example, create crossing guards (same as train crossing guards) that come down at all intersections with Grand, Chicago, Damen, and Ashland.</p>
<p>Reduce speeds to 5-15mph in these sections.</p>
<p>At all intersections, cars must yield to bikes.</p>
<p>Bikes are not expected to stop at intersections, only reduce speed.</p>
<p>If there are…</p>
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<p>In this example, create crossing guards (same as train crossing guards) that come down at all intersections with Grand, Chicago, Damen, and Ashland.</p>
<p>Reduce speeds to 5-15mph in these sections.</p>
<p>At all intersections, cars must yield to bikes.</p>
<p>Bikes are not expected to stop at intersections, only reduce speed.</p>
<p>If there are complaints regarding loss of parking space, buying smaller cars, SUVs, trucks, etc. will reduce the need for parking space.</p> Implement this on 4/5 city st…tag:thechainlink.org,2019-04-27:2211490:Comment:11212992019-04-27T00:53:22.084ZDavid S.https://thechainlink.org/profile/DavidS734
<p>Implement this on 4/5 city streets.</p>
<p>Implement this on 4/5 city streets.</p>