Shoaling...can someone explain the sociology? - The Chainlink2024-03-28T22:34:37Zhttps://thechainlink.org/forum/topics/shoaling-can-someone-explain-the-sociology?feed=yes&xn_auth=noSame cigarette? If you really…tag:thechainlink.org,2018-09-21:2211490:Comment:11065832018-09-21T10:39:35.218ZJoe Guzzardohttps://thechainlink.org/profile/JoeGuzzardo
<p>Same cigarette? If you really wanted to show your courtesy, you should've walked up to him and offered him a fresh one.</p>
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<p>Same cigarette? If you really wanted to show your courtesy, you should've walked up to him and offered him a fresh one.</p>
<p></p> Today... is it polite if I pu…tag:thechainlink.org,2018-09-13:2211490:Comment:11061862018-09-13T03:04:42.063ZErnesto Lubehttps://thechainlink.org/profile/ErnestoLube
<p>Today... is it polite if I purposely asked a person that I was going to get in front of them?</p>
<p>Scenario - 5:35PM northbound on Dearborn, getting shoaled here and there. </p>
<p>I get to Dearborn and Wacker. Guy in front is 1st in line. I rest my forearms over my handlebars. Guy in front lets out a huge puff of cigarette smoke and I go to him and say: Hey! I am getting in front of you. I don't like your cigarette smoke on my face!</p>
<p>Guy just leans away and says nothing. He actually…</p>
<p>Today... is it polite if I purposely asked a person that I was going to get in front of them?</p>
<p>Scenario - 5:35PM northbound on Dearborn, getting shoaled here and there. </p>
<p>I get to Dearborn and Wacker. Guy in front is 1st in line. I rest my forearms over my handlebars. Guy in front lets out a huge puff of cigarette smoke and I go to him and say: Hey! I am getting in front of you. I don't like your cigarette smoke on my face!</p>
<p>Guy just leans away and says nothing. He actually just turns around next to car traffic and rides away. </p>
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<p>7:50PM - my lady and me are eating at KAI Sushi on State St near Roosevelt - We're eating outside. I spot a cyclist on the sidewalk. Same GUY! Cigarette in hand! I explain to her about the above - and of all the people in this enormous city, what are the odds of seeing who I shoaled?</p>
<p></p> "The only think I can think o…tag:thechainlink.org,2016-10-29:2211490:Comment:10253222016-10-29T18:41:53.469ZIrvin Steinerthttps://thechainlink.org/profile/IrvinSteinert
<p><em>"The only think I can think of is that it sounds like you were pretty far back and possibly in the front car's blind spot" </em>Nope, I was making eye contact with the car driver and even with his front bumper. She pulled up in a dangerous spot. It's not a typical four way stop, super dangerous intersection. She risked life and limb to move out ahead.</p>
<p><em>"The only think I can think of is that it sounds like you were pretty far back and possibly in the front car's blind spot" </em>Nope, I was making eye contact with the car driver and even with his front bumper. She pulled up in a dangerous spot. It's not a typical four way stop, super dangerous intersection. She risked life and limb to move out ahead.</p> Sadly, agreed. Forcing the ri…tag:thechainlink.org,2016-10-29:2211490:Comment:10252232016-10-29T17:21:47.372ZSarah D.https://thechainlink.org/profile/Sarahld
<p>Sadly, agreed. Forcing the risk on others is the big issue with right passers, shoalers, and red-light runners. Our own worst enemies in these cases... sigh. </p>
<p>Sadly, agreed. Forcing the risk on others is the big issue with right passers, shoalers, and red-light runners. Our own worst enemies in these cases... sigh. </p> The only think I can think of…tag:thechainlink.org,2016-10-29:2211490:Comment:10253202016-10-29T17:19:22.057ZSarah D.https://thechainlink.org/profile/Sarahld
<p>The only think I can think of is that it sounds like you were pretty far back and possibly in the front car's blind spot. When I am first at an intersection, I pull out to where the "bike box" would be to be visible by all four cars at the intersection and the line of cars in my lane, as a safety measure.</p>
<p>She perhaps did not feel safe way behind the front car like that. Next time, ask her!</p>
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<p>The only think I can think of is that it sounds like you were pretty far back and possibly in the front car's blind spot. When I am first at an intersection, I pull out to where the "bike box" would be to be visible by all four cars at the intersection and the line of cars in my lane, as a safety measure.</p>
<p>She perhaps did not feel safe way behind the front car like that. Next time, ask her!</p>
<p></p> Thank you!(I keep shaking my…tag:thechainlink.org,2016-10-29:2211490:Comment:10252222016-10-29T16:56:23.988ZSarah D.https://thechainlink.org/profile/Sarahld
<p>Thank you!<br/><br/>(I keep shaking my head, thinking no wonder drivers are so frustrated with the unpredictability of cyclist behavior and our "not following the rules of the road" - cyclists are, on this thread, justifying it!)</p>
<p>Thank you!<br/><br/>(I keep shaking my head, thinking no wonder drivers are so frustrated with the unpredictability of cyclist behavior and our "not following the rules of the road" - cyclists are, on this thread, justifying it!)</p> This.tag:thechainlink.org,2016-10-29:2211490:Comment:10251632016-10-29T16:49:07.306ZSarah D.https://thechainlink.org/profile/Sarahld
<p>This.</p>
<p>This.</p> They aren't thinking. At leas…tag:thechainlink.org,2016-10-29:2211490:Comment:10253192016-10-29T16:28:32.458ZCarter O'Brienhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/CarterOBrien
They aren't thinking. At least, not thinking about anyone but themselves. Essentially the same mentality as the person who tries to board the L while other people are exiting.
They aren't thinking. At least, not thinking about anyone but themselves. Essentially the same mentality as the person who tries to board the L while other people are exiting. So I'm riding to work on a ro…tag:thechainlink.org,2016-10-29:2211490:Comment:10252202016-10-29T15:32:43.805ZIrvin Steinerthttps://thechainlink.org/profile/IrvinSteinert
<p>So I'm riding to work on a road bike and come up on another rider on a long straight. I'm faster, holding about 19mph and she's going about 14mph. I catch up and once behind, I retain a polite distance matching her speed for a short while and then pass on the left. After a while she's back like a quarter mile. I make a turn and can't even see her any more. Eventually I get to a long light and I'm waiting a reasonable safe distance back from an intersection where traffic is moving through the…</p>
<p>So I'm riding to work on a road bike and come up on another rider on a long straight. I'm faster, holding about 19mph and she's going about 14mph. I catch up and once behind, I retain a polite distance matching her speed for a short while and then pass on the left. After a while she's back like a quarter mile. I make a turn and can't even see her any more. Eventually I get to a long light and I'm waiting a reasonable safe distance back from an intersection where traffic is moving through the light at 50+mph. I am actually next to the lead stopped car and my front tire is even with their front bumper. Next thing I know the woman I passed five minutes ago rolls up and passes me in the gravel shoulder and moves out into the intersection only a couple of feet from the high speed semi's and cars. My question is why? It's not a problem, seriously, no problem at all for me. I actually feel a little sad for this person. I just am curious to know what they are thinking?</p> Ha! That's hilarious! Yeah,…tag:thechainlink.org,2016-10-28:2211490:Comment:10253962016-10-28T23:42:57.235ZChicagoCyclisthttps://thechainlink.org/profile/John162
<p>Ha! That's hilarious! Yeah, bicyclists can communicate to each other (by voice, by gesture) much more / more easily / more effectively than drivers can in their isolating, sensory-limiting metal boxes. Also, bicyclists, being closer to being an actual "person" when cycling (than a driver in a car) are more diverse / complex in the 'signals' or 'signs' that they send out to each other (again, more than those invisible drivers behind their tinted glass windows). Finally, cyclists, who are…</p>
<p>Ha! That's hilarious! Yeah, bicyclists can communicate to each other (by voice, by gesture) much more / more easily / more effectively than drivers can in their isolating, sensory-limiting metal boxes. Also, bicyclists, being closer to being an actual "person" when cycling (than a driver in a car) are more diverse / complex in the 'signals' or 'signs' that they send out to each other (again, more than those invisible drivers behind their tinted glass windows). Finally, cyclists, who are engaged in a physical activity, vary in their abilities and skills more than drivers do (who do, however, vary more in their stupidity/intelligence in such matters as texting/emailing while driving, speeding, forgetting to signal a turn, buzzing close by cyclists, etc.) Roads were, until recently, designed for cars alone. Lanes channelize cars for a reason. Ha, maybe we need to flip the car-bike equation and build roads that have <u>four bike lanes</u> in each direction and then shove the cars over into one narrow lane on the right! Preferably on the other side of barrier so they couldn't shoal to get up in front of us cyclists (and each other)!</p>