Save American Dream Rally-Wisconsin Solidarity, Sat 26th, Downtown - The Chainlink2024-03-28T20:03:10Zhttps://thechainlink.org/forum/topics/save-american-dream?feed=yes&xn_auth=noDon't forget all the money th…tag:thechainlink.org,2011-03-02:2211490:Comment:2987512011-03-02T21:01:46.240ZJason Whttps://thechainlink.org/profile/JasonW
Don't forget all the money that goes towards the mafia!<br/>
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<cite>James Baum said:</cite><br/>
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<p>the law is a joke. Union dues go towards "education" which is money funneled for advertisements pushing democratic causes.</p>
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Don't forget all the money that goes towards the mafia!<br/>
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<cite>James Baum said:</cite><br/>
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<p>the law is a joke. Union dues go towards "education" which is money funneled for advertisements pushing democratic causes.</p>
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</blockquote> To say that speaking against…tag:thechainlink.org,2011-03-01:2211490:Comment:2980472011-03-01T01:13:06.479ZDoug Hayneshttps://thechainlink.org/profile/DougHaynes
<p>To say that speaking against he union or claiming them to be hold outs for racism, homophobia and sexism is being bigoted towards the working man is one of the biggest loads of crap I have ever heard. I happen to agree with a lot of what James has said and I <strong>AM</strong> a working class man.</p>
<p>Union members have choice in their leadership the same was we have choice about our political leaders and if you think different in either arena you are just kidding yourself.</p>
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<p>To say that speaking against he union or claiming them to be hold outs for racism, homophobia and sexism is being bigoted towards the working man is one of the biggest loads of crap I have ever heard. I happen to agree with a lot of what James has said and I <strong>AM</strong> a working class man.</p>
<p>Union members have choice in their leadership the same was we have choice about our political leaders and if you think different in either arena you are just kidding yourself.</p>
<p>I have twice been a part of a union and both times they failed completely to protect my job and showed a greater interest in collecting dues then they did actually helping anyone out. I remember when I was laid off from the airlines my union rep was no were to be found and I was completely unable to contact him to find out what I should do; when their shitty contract opened scores of us up to being cut they union reps and leadership hid under the carpet.<br/> <cite>Old Tom said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/save-american-dream?page=2&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A298043&x=1#2211490Comment297763"><div><p>So you're bigoted against working class men. Interesting.</p>
<p>Union dues don't pay for political activities; such money comes from voluntary contributions to the union PAC. That's the law. I was on my local's PAC and gathered contributions on the job and the vast majority of the hands, being politically astute, happily contributed. And some guys didn't. And that's that.</p>
<p>As for "union bosses"; well at least we elect our leadership and can get rid of it if we want. How about your boss?<br/><br/><cite>James Baum said:</cite></p>
<blockquote><div>At least the actual liberals would have a chance of drowning out the construction trades homophobes/racists who have been drummed up by their union bosses to show at the capital. At least they can be counted on to vote democrats in office and pay their union dues to fund democratic candidates.</div>
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</blockquote> I have had the following happ…tag:thechainlink.org,2011-03-01:2211490:Comment:2982032011-03-01T01:07:49.197ZDoug Hayneshttps://thechainlink.org/profile/DougHaynes
<p>I have had the following happen to me due to having a dissenting opinion vs. that of those in my union:</p>
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<p>-Work boots shoved into toilets, both flushed and unflushed repeatedly.</p>
<p>-Threatened physically and with a firearm.</p>
<p>-Had my voting attendence read off to an entire shift of workers.</p>
<p>-Forced to take the worst jobs on the crew and often forced to do two man jobs solo.</p>
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<p>I have also been physically assaulted by union workers when I was brought…</p>
<p>I have had the following happen to me due to having a dissenting opinion vs. that of those in my union:</p>
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<p>-Work boots shoved into toilets, both flushed and unflushed repeatedly.</p>
<p>-Threatened physically and with a firearm.</p>
<p>-Had my voting attendence read off to an entire shift of workers.</p>
<p>-Forced to take the worst jobs on the crew and often forced to do two man jobs solo.</p>
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<p>I have also been physically assaulted by union workers when I was brought into do a job none of them were capable of.</p>
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<p>I have been verbally abused, intimidated and threatened more than once on job sites as well.</p>
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<p>To say that stuff does not happen or is purely from the movies is sticking your head in the sand.</p>
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<p> </p> Oh Christ Jim; I was in one o…tag:thechainlink.org,2011-02-28:2211490:Comment:2980352011-02-28T23:19:55.787ZOld Tomhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/TomBrennan282
Oh Christ Jim; I was in one of the toughest of the trades (Boilermakers Local One) and opinions were honestly expressed and nobody had to go around in fear. I think you're making this stuff up. Maybe you've seen On the Waterfront too many times.<br></br><br></br><cite>James Baum said:</cite>
<blockquote><div>I bet you would like to know. And there's a reason why I'm not going to hang it out there for it to get back to my BA. I'd like to work again someday and have both of my kneecaps hinge the correct…</div>
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Oh Christ Jim; I was in one of the toughest of the trades (Boilermakers Local One) and opinions were honestly expressed and nobody had to go around in fear. I think you're making this stuff up. Maybe you've seen On the Waterfront too many times.<br/><br/><cite>James Baum said:</cite>
<blockquote><div>I bet you would like to know. And there's a reason why I'm not going to hang it out there for it to get back to my BA. I'd like to work again someday and have both of my kneecaps hinge the correct way.</div>
</blockquote> I bet you would like to know.…tag:thechainlink.org,2011-02-28:2211490:Comment:2981072011-02-28T22:59:32.817ZFar'arned Retrogrumpalunkus #63https://thechainlink.org/profile/JamesBlackHeron
I bet you would like to know. And there's a reason why I'm not going to hang it out there for it to get back to my BA. I'd like to work again someday and have both of my kneecaps hinge the correct way.
I bet you would like to know. And there's a reason why I'm not going to hang it out there for it to get back to my BA. I'd like to work again someday and have both of my kneecaps hinge the correct way. I was in one of the trades fo…tag:thechainlink.org,2011-02-28:2211490:Comment:2980262011-02-28T22:53:04.534ZOld Tomhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/TomBrennan282
<p>I was in one of the trades for 35 years and saw not much more racism and homophobia than I see anywhere else. And that was honestly expressed; one thing with people in the trades, you know where you stand.</p>
<p>Like I said, I was on the PAC and was one of the guys deciding to whom the money went and it was all money from voluntary contributions.</p>
<p>As for dues money going to fund political education of it's own members and phone bank work; well that's entirely suitable and proper;…</p>
<p>I was in one of the trades for 35 years and saw not much more racism and homophobia than I see anywhere else. And that was honestly expressed; one thing with people in the trades, you know where you stand.</p>
<p>Like I said, I was on the PAC and was one of the guys deciding to whom the money went and it was all money from voluntary contributions.</p>
<p>As for dues money going to fund political education of it's own members and phone bank work; well that's entirely suitable and proper; that;s the kind of thing a good local SHOULD be doing. If you don't like how the members are educated or don't like members manning phone banks run for office. You gotta win though.</p>
<p>I really gotta wonder though what trade you're in (or if you really are in one) and what kind of a guy you are to rap your own kind in public and use the language of your trade's enemies---"union bosses" and crap like that. <br/><br/><cite>James Baum said:</cite></p>
<blockquote><div><p>No, I am one. I am speaking on experience here.</p>
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<p>"Union dues don't pay for political activities; such money comes from voluntary contributions to the union PAC. That's the law. I was on my local's PAC and gathered contributions on the job and the vast majority of the hands, being politically astute, happily contributed. And some guys didn't. And that's that."</p>
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<p>the law is a joke. Union dues go towards "education" which is money funneled for advertisements pushing democratic causes.</p>
<p><br/>Believe me, I'm a member of construction trade union. I get calls all the time from my union to come help man phone banks before every election. They pay $10-20/hour for this "volunteer" work. That money comes right out of union dues. </p>
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</blockquote> No, I am one. I am speaking…tag:thechainlink.org,2011-02-28:2211490:Comment:2981802011-02-28T22:24:23.286ZFar'arned Retrogrumpalunkus #63https://thechainlink.org/profile/JamesBlackHeron
<p>No, I am one. I am speaking on experience here.</p>
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<p>"Union dues don't pay for political activities; such money comes from voluntary contributions to the union PAC. That's the law. I was on my local's PAC and gathered contributions on the job and the vast majority of the hands, being politically astute, happily contributed. And some guys didn't. And that's that."</p>
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<p>the law is a joke. Union dues go towards "education" which is money funneled for advertisements…</p>
<p>No, I am one. I am speaking on experience here.</p>
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<p>"Union dues don't pay for political activities; such money comes from voluntary contributions to the union PAC. That's the law. I was on my local's PAC and gathered contributions on the job and the vast majority of the hands, being politically astute, happily contributed. And some guys didn't. And that's that."</p>
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<p>the law is a joke. Union dues go towards "education" which is money funneled for advertisements pushing democratic causes.</p>
<p><br/>Believe me, I'm a member of construction trade union. I get calls all the time from my union to come help man phone banks before every election. They pay $10-20/hour for this "volunteer" work. That money comes right out of union dues. </p>
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<p> </p> So you're bigoted against wor…tag:thechainlink.org,2011-02-28:2211490:Comment:2977632011-02-28T22:04:33.387ZOld Tomhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/TomBrennan282
<p>So you're bigoted against working class men. Interesting.</p>
<p>Union dues don't pay for political activities; such money comes from voluntary contributions to the union PAC. That's the law. I was on my local's PAC and gathered contributions on the job and the vast majority of the hands, being politically astute, happily contributed. And some guys didn't. And that's that.</p>
<p>As for "union bosses"; well at least we elect our leadership and can get rid of it if we want. How about your…</p>
<p>So you're bigoted against working class men. Interesting.</p>
<p>Union dues don't pay for political activities; such money comes from voluntary contributions to the union PAC. That's the law. I was on my local's PAC and gathered contributions on the job and the vast majority of the hands, being politically astute, happily contributed. And some guys didn't. And that's that.</p>
<p>As for "union bosses"; well at least we elect our leadership and can get rid of it if we want. How about your boss?<br/><br/><cite>James Baum said:</cite></p>
<blockquote><div>At least the actual liberals would have a chance of drowning out the construction trades homophobes/racists who have been drummed up by their union bosses to show at the capital. At least they can be counted on to vote democrats in office and pay their union dues to fund democratic candidates.</div>
</blockquote> At least the actual liberals…tag:thechainlink.org,2011-02-28:2211490:Comment:2980972011-02-28T20:33:35.173ZFar'arned Retrogrumpalunkus #63https://thechainlink.org/profile/JamesBlackHeron
At least the actual liberals would have a chance of drowning out the construction trades homophobes/racists who have been drummed up by their union bosses to show at the capital. At least they can be counted on to vote democrats in office and pay their union dues to fund democratic candidates.
At least the actual liberals would have a chance of drowning out the construction trades homophobes/racists who have been drummed up by their union bosses to show at the capital. At least they can be counted on to vote democrats in office and pay their union dues to fund democratic candidates. It's not MY side. I'm not a…tag:thechainlink.org,2011-02-28:2211490:Comment:2979742011-02-28T13:10:47.274ZFar'arned Retrogrumpalunkus #63https://thechainlink.org/profile/JamesBlackHeron
<p>It's not MY side. I'm not a republican -which is pretty darn obvious when I'm called a "liberal commie" in all the conservative-leaning forums I participate just like I get called "right-wing nutjob" in liberal left-leaning forums like this one.</p>
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<p>I'm a radical libertarian. The left and the right are both as wrong. I'm pro-choice on everything. The Democrat party is full of anti-freedom fascists who wish to crush economic freedom and promote big government. The…</p>
<p>It's not MY side. I'm not a republican -which is pretty darn obvious when I'm called a "liberal commie" in all the conservative-leaning forums I participate just like I get called "right-wing nutjob" in liberal left-leaning forums like this one.</p>
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<p>I'm a radical libertarian. The left and the right are both as wrong. I'm pro-choice on everything. The Democrat party is full of anti-freedom fascists who wish to crush economic freedom and promote big government. The Republicrook party is full of fascists who want to crush personal/social freedoms and promote big government. Even the tea-baggers want to shrink the government only enough to fit inside a woman's vagina. </p>
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<p>I don't have a "side."</p>