New Bicycle Quiz from the League of Illinois Bicyclists--What's Your Score? - The Chainlink2024-03-28T23:43:05Zhttps://thechainlink.org/forum/topics/new-bicycle-quiz-from-the-league-of-illinois-bicyclists-what-s?feed=yes&xn_auth=noThanks, David. Outside of th…tag:thechainlink.org,2013-06-24:2211490:Comment:7115772013-06-24T18:05:50.145ZEd Barsottihttps://thechainlink.org/profile/EdBarsotti
<p>Thanks, David. Outside of the main door, in the plaza, with podium and chairs set up. Crossing our fingers for no rain. <br></br> <br></br> <cite>David Barish said:</cite></p>
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<p>Thanks, David. Outside of the main door, in the plaza, with podium and chairs set up. Crossing our fingers for no rain. <br/> <br/> <cite>David Barish said:</cite></p>
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</blockquote> Will do my best to show up at…tag:thechainlink.org,2013-06-24:2211490:Comment:7113142013-06-24T17:54:44.428ZDavid Barishhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/DavidBarish
<p>Will do my best to show up at the press conference. I am in the building that morning and will hope to get out for a few minutes. Will you be in the auditorium? Main floor?</p>
<p>Will do my best to show up at the press conference. I am in the building that morning and will hope to get out for a few minutes. Will you be in the auditorium? Main floor?</p> Ok that makes some more sens…tag:thechainlink.org,2013-06-24:2211490:Comment:7114182013-06-24T17:48:02.052ZLizhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/Liz657
<p><br></br> Ok that makes some more sense if its for actual students, I would recommend having a passing criteria (like 80%) to not re-take the quiz, since each of the questions are reviewed immediately after answer. </p>
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<p><br/> Ok that makes some more sense if its for actual students, I would recommend having a passing criteria (like 80%) to not re-take the quiz, since each of the questions are reviewed immediately after answer. </p>
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<p><cite>Ed Barsotti said:</cite></p>
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<p>3) Re-ordering answer choices on the second and third pass (Liz’ comment): we’ve provided easy-to-use functionality for school teachers and driver ed instructors to assign their students the appropriate quizzes. One main reason for randomizing the answer choice order is to help reduce student cheating.</p>
<p>We look forward to further feedback. The quiz has important info to get out to the public, and we want it to be the best it can be.</p>
<p>ALSO – we hope many of you will come to the website launch press conference this Thursday, 9:15am, Thompson Center – to better leave an impression with the state officials who are attending!</p>
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Would love to attend, bu…tag:thechainlink.org,2013-06-24:2211490:Comment:7113962013-06-24T17:24:36.958ZLisa Curciohttps://thechainlink.org/profile/LisaCurcio
<p><br></br> Ed,</p>
<p>Would love to attend, but I will be at work! Unfortunately, that time is probably a difficult time for many of us to duck out of the workplace. </p>
<p>And thanks for trying to educate!</p>
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<p><br/> Ed,</p>
<p>Would love to attend, but I will be at work! Unfortunately, that time is probably a difficult time for many of us to duck out of the workplace. </p>
<p>And thanks for trying to educate!</p>
<p><br/> <cite>Ed Barsotti said:</cite></p>
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<p>ALSO – we hope many of you will come to the website launch press conference this Thursday, 9:15am, Thompson Center – to better leave an impression with the state officials who are attending!</p>
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<p>(From Ed Barsotti, LIB, main developer of the quizzes)</p>
<p>Thanks, everyone, for your comments. Seeing your concerns will help us improve the quiz questions and explanations. Most of you know much more than the vast majority of the people we hope to reach.</p>
<p>For background: we developed this resource to help bridge a big gap in knowledge of these issues in the general public and in what is being taught to young bicyclists and new motorists (not much, right now). From years in…</p>
<p>(From Ed Barsotti, LIB, main developer of the quizzes)</p>
<p>Thanks, everyone, for your comments. Seeing your concerns will help us improve the quiz questions and explanations. Most of you know much more than the vast majority of the people we hope to reach.</p>
<p>For background: we developed this resource to help bridge a big gap in knowledge of these issues in the general public and in what is being taught to young bicyclists and new motorists (not much, right now). From years in advocacy, I know that this is a serious obstacle to improving bicycling in Illinois, and that it leads to a lot of extra tension between bicyclists and motorists.</p>
<p>As a statewide organization, we’ve tried to create a resource that can be used throughout Illinois. Some questions/illustrations deal with heavily urban (e.g. Chicago) issues, some with rural riding, and others with suburban-style (no/little on-street parking) roads common in the ‘burbs, smaller metro areas, and even mid-sized towns. </p>
<p>Responses to some of the specific comments:</p>
<p>1) Adult Bicyclist – Bronze #2, most-to-least visible cyclists at an intersection: the ordering used is based on aggregate crash data studies, which show that contraflow off-road (sidewalk, sidepath) cyclists are involved in the most crashes with cars. Perhaps the numbers may be different when restricted to dense urban areas where motorists are accustomed to stopping at the stop line and to seeing crosswalk traffic. However, in less dense areas, motorists see far fewer crosswalk users – so they aren’t looking there as much or stopping at the stop line. Because of this disparity, there are not two answer choices only differing in the ordering of the two contraflow users.</p>
<p>2) Adult Bicyclist – Bronze #4, “if you hold up traffic more than a short time, pull aside when it is safe and let traffic pass”. It’s true, the law doesn’t require this. And we’re definitely NOT suggesting one should swerve constantly or allow a motorist to “squeeze by” unsafely. We’re only suggesting that IF traffic behind you has been unable to pass for awhile due to a constant stream of oncoming cars, and IF there’s a safe and convenient opportunity to do so <i>(e.g., as S says, “…among other things, just pulling into a bunch of contiguous empty parking spaces and slowing down to let the cars go by.”)</i>, to do the polite thing. A little kindness (by both bicyclists and motorists) can go a long way. Still – we might look at re-wording to clarify.</p>
<p>3) Re-ordering answer choices on the second and third pass (Liz’ comment): we’ve provided easy-to-use functionality for school teachers and driver ed instructors to assign their students the appropriate quizzes. One main reason for randomizing the answer choice order is to help reduce student cheating.</p>
<p>We look forward to further feedback. The quiz has important info to get out to the public, and we want it to be the best it can be.</p>
<p>ALSO – we hope many of you will come to the website launch press conference this Thursday, 9:15am, Thompson Center – to better leave an impression with the state officials who are attending!</p>
<p> </p> Oh thanks, I forgot I posted…tag:thechainlink.org,2013-06-24:2211490:Comment:7110622013-06-24T15:27:18.178ZAdam Hersteinhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/AdamHerstein
<p>Oh thanks, I forgot I posted that.<br></br> <br></br> <cite>Kevin C said:</cite></p>
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<p>Oh thanks, I forgot I posted that.<br/> <br/>
<cite>Kevin C said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/new-bicycle-quiz-from-the-league-of-illinois-bicyclists-what-s?commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A711147&xg_source=msg_com_forum#2211490Comment711147"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/harrassed-on-my-commute-home?commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A558207" target="_blank">This fact has been well-documented by you</a>.<br/> <br/>
<cite>Adam Herstein (5.5 mi) said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/new-bicycle-quiz-from-the-league-of-illinois-bicyclists-what-s?page=2&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A711285&x=1#2211490Comment711285"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Yeah, I thought that was a very subjective answer. I am not required by law to pull over and allow motor traffic through. Plus, swerving back and forth constantly is not safe.<br/> <br/>
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<p>"If you hold up traffic more than a short time, pull aside when it is safe and let traffic pass."</p>
<p>B.S. Wrong answer!</p>
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</blockquote> This fact has been well-docum…tag:thechainlink.org,2013-06-24:2211490:Comment:7111472013-06-24T15:17:32.528ZKevin C Dormanthttps://thechainlink.org/profile/KevinC
<p><a href="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/harrassed-on-my-commute-home?commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A558207" target="_blank">This fact has been well-documented by you</a>.<br></br> <br></br> <cite>Adam Herstein (5.5 mi) said:</cite></p>
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<p><a href="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/harrassed-on-my-commute-home?commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A558207" target="_blank">This fact has been well-documented by you</a>.<br/> <br/> <cite>Adam Herstein (5.5 mi) said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/new-bicycle-quiz-from-the-league-of-illinois-bicyclists-what-s?page=2&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A711285&x=1#2211490Comment711285"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Yeah, I thought that was a very subjective answer. I am not required by law to pull over and allow motor traffic through. Plus, swerving back and forth constantly is not safe.<br/> <br/> <cite>peter moormann said:</cite></p>
<div class="xg_user_generated"><blockquote><p>On riding on narrow roads:</p>
<p>"If you hold up traffic more than a short time, pull aside when it is safe and let traffic pass."</p>
<p>B.S. Wrong answer!</p>
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</blockquote> Yeah, I thought that was a ve…tag:thechainlink.org,2013-06-24:2211490:Comment:7112852013-06-24T15:12:25.146ZAdam Hersteinhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/AdamHerstein
<p>Yeah, I thought that was a very subjective answer. I am not required by law to pull over and allow motor traffic through. Plus, swerving back and forth constantly is not safe.<br/> <br/> <cite>peter moormann said:</cite></p>
<div class="xg_user_generated"><blockquote><p>On riding on narrow roads:</p>
<p>"If you hold up traffic more than a short time, pull aside when it is safe and let traffic pass."</p>
<p>B.S. Wrong answer!</p>
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<p>Yeah, I thought that was a very subjective answer. I am not required by law to pull over and allow motor traffic through. Plus, swerving back and forth constantly is not safe.<br/> <br/> <cite>peter moormann said:</cite></p>
<div class="xg_user_generated"><blockquote><p>On riding on narrow roads:</p>
<p>"If you hold up traffic more than a short time, pull aside when it is safe and let traffic pass."</p>
<p>B.S. Wrong answer!</p>
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</div> Just so you know, this is all…tag:thechainlink.org,2013-06-24:2211490:Comment:7111442013-06-24T15:12:15.844ZKevin C Dormanthttps://thechainlink.org/profile/KevinC
<p>Just so you know, this is all going on your permanent record.<br></br> <br></br> <cite>Liz said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/new-bicycle-quiz-from-the-league-of-illinois-bicyclists-what-s?page=2&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A711283&x=1#2211490Comment711050"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I got 1 answer wrong on the "silver" quiz and then when it had me go back, it changed the order and I got it wrong again and it made me "retake it" which…</p>
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<p>Just so you know, this is all going on your permanent record.<br/> <br/> <cite>Liz said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/new-bicycle-quiz-from-the-league-of-illinois-bicyclists-what-s?page=2&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A711283&x=1#2211490Comment711050"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I got 1 answer wrong on the "silver" quiz and then when it had me go back, it changed the order and I got it wrong again and it made me "retake it" which also changed the order of all the answers and I got bored of re-reading the questions and quit the quiz. THIS IS NOT A GOOD WAY TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO TAKE YOUR QUIZ!!!!!! </p>
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</blockquote> Also on the gold (I eventuall…tag:thechainlink.org,2013-06-24:2211490:Comment:7112832013-06-24T14:55:29.125ZLizhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/Liz657
<p>Also on the gold (I eventually regained enough patience to go back through) the question on braking is </p>
<p>1. poorly and confusingly worded </p>
<p>2. doesn't actually give a "correct" answer, since you never want to brake so hard as to skid. Skidding puts you into dynamic coefficient of friction which is lower than the static coefficient of friction (present on moving wheels). Therefore you want to brake until you start to skid and ease off of both brakes and pump to maintain static…</p>
<p>Also on the gold (I eventually regained enough patience to go back through) the question on braking is </p>
<p>1. poorly and confusingly worded </p>
<p>2. doesn't actually give a "correct" answer, since you never want to brake so hard as to skid. Skidding puts you into dynamic coefficient of friction which is lower than the static coefficient of friction (present on moving wheels). Therefore you want to brake until you start to skid and ease off of both brakes and pump to maintain static coefficient of friction, while braking slightly harder on the rear. This is what anti-lock brakes do for you in a car. <br/> <br/> <cite>Liz said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/comment/show?id=2211490%3AComment%3A711050&xn_out=json&firstPage=0&lastPage=1&xg_token=f4b332669b02b2febaafc739e424b44a&_=1372084753208#2211490Comment711050"><div><p>I got 1 answer wrong on the "silver" quiz and then when it had me go back, it changed the order and I got it wrong again and it made me "retake it" which also changed the order of all the answers and I got bored of re-reading the questions and quit the quiz. THIS IS NOT A GOOD WAY TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO TAKE YOUR QUIZ!!!!!! </p>
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